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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 5:37 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Faith No More Wrote: The pitfall is that it ceases to be a search for the truth and merely becomes an extension of what you already believed in the first place.
And then they defend that with the unfalsifiable claim that a magic ghost guided them to the truth.
You guys cherry pick and can't defend what you choose to present, why, read your own explanation. I put it in bold.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 5:38 pm
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(July 10, 2013 at 5:28 pm)Raven Wrote: I was far from alone in the pews with picking and choosing. Even my Sunday school teacher sister does it, and she's as religious as they get.
Yes, I remember having a Sunday school teacher who told us that the Noah flood probably wasn't actually a global flood, but a large local flood that the authors of Genesis thought flooded the whole world. Even though in the bible it states that the tallest mountains were covered with water.
(July 10, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why do you want us to study evolution before we argue it
So you and your ilk will stop using lame strawman arguments like "why are there still monkeys?" or "How could the universe have come from nothing?"
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 5:44 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: You guys cherry pick and can't defend what you choose to present, why, read your own explanation. I put it in bold.
I don't have to cherry pick. It's all bullshit.
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Quote:the verses you refer to have been explained many times and have never been refuted by atheist.
Horseshit, G-C. You;ve been told off every time you pull that routine. Just because you make up a phony story which you use to convince yourself that the god you worship is not a dick does not make him real and it does not make the people who invented him as an instrument of social control any less of a bunch of dicks.
Grow the fuck up man. At your age you should have stopped having an invisible friend long ago.
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Did you guys know that the Quran itself actually warns and rebukes all Muslims (and everyone else) who cherry pick the book?
"Then is it only a part of the Scripture that you believe in and do you reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. - Surah 2:85
But you know that Muslims still do it ...
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 5:38 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (July 10, 2013 at 5:28 pm)Raven Wrote: I was far from alone in the pews with picking and choosing. Even my Sunday school teacher sister does it, and she's as religious as they get.
Yes, I remember having a Sunday school teacher who told us that the Noah flood probably wasn't actually a global flood, but a large local flood that the authors of Genesis thought flooded the whole world. Even though in the bible it states that the tallest mountains were covered with water.
(July 10, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why do you want us to study evolution before we argue it
So you and your ilk will stop using lame strawman arguments like "why are there still monkeys?" or "How could the universe have come from nothing?"
I do not do that, you'll have to speak to those who do.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 9:53 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Faith No More Wrote: The pitfall is that it ceases to be a search for the truth and merely becomes an extension of what you already believed in the first place.
And then they defend that with the unfalsifiable claim that a magic ghost guided them to the truth.
Not being able to prove something wrong can be frustrating...but why go to that extreme? The burden of proof is on them to prove it.
But yes, to the former comment. This is the same reason why people try to justify their beliefs with the Constitution of the United States, because they think it already says what they're thinking, and they'll bend it any which way to prove it. Definitely a pitfall.
(July 10, 2013 at 5:28 pm)Raven Wrote: I very much agree. But until we outgrow our need as a people to believe in religions this is going to continue. And the true believers will do just as you say and claim that God guided them to the truth.
Myself, I was Catholic for a time only because I was raised that way. Like most people I went with it for no other reason. But from when I was just a little kid there were things I could never accept. Original Sin was the first one. I just could not accept that idea. I was like "But I just got here! How could I have done anything yet?" I refused to accept the notion, I did not care what the church said was true. By the time I was old enough to vote there was a whole laundry list of things that did not set well with me and that I rejected. I was far from alone in the pews with picking and choosing. Even my Sunday school teacher sister does it, and she's as religious as they get.
It was my wife's cherry picking that got her out of Catholicism. It wasn't about OS, but about Homosexuality and the church's position on it.
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Cherry picking and the concept of confirmation bias are probably very related to each other it seems ...
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 10:03 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 6:04 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Did you guys know that the Quran itself actually warns and rebukes all Muslims (and everyone else) who cherry pick the book?
"Then is it only a part of the Scripture that you believe in and do you reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. - Surah 2:85
But you know that Muslims still do it ...
But at least you admit it.
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RE: Cherry Picking
July 10, 2013 at 10:07 pm
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(July 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not do that, you'll have to speak to those who do.
Now, answer truthfully. Have you ever asked if one of us could prove there is no god? Or that we need to disprove your disbelief in god? Both of those are also strawmen. I can explain to you why that is, if you want, but it'll go right by you because you'll have your head between your legs enjoying the smell of your own farts...again. If you need, I can also explain my fart analogy to you as well, but I'm writing that more for the other readers, and not for you.
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