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Are certain horrific aspects of catholicism distinctive to that sect specificaly.
#21
RE: Are certain horrific aspects of catholicism distinctive to that sect specificaly.
(July 31, 2013 at 11:18 am)oukoida Wrote: 1) Uneducated : not any more than the North (wanna talk about that guy who started speaking lombard in the EU Parliament?);

My uncle on my fathers side married an Italian, a communist from somewhere near Genua a think. It is from her that I got most stories of the uneducated and conservative South.

Quote:2) Unemployed : like the rest of Italy, albeit a little bit more because of shittier politicians;

Weird. The press and almoust everything else creates the image of an Italy divided in a poor South with high unemployment and a rich North with well running economy.

Quote:3) Shit infrastructure : same as before;

Meaning that it was shit before aswell? And before what?

Quote:4) Mainly agricultural : mainly touristic today;

Yeah, I guess that is obvious. Hardly anyone here doesn`t make a holiday once every 3 to 5 years in Italy. But I always thought that the main tourist attractions were in the North. And that everything south of Neapel is nothing but goats, old people, dry lands and chemical waste fills.

Quote:5) Lack of industrialization : yes, in comparison with the North, but still, we have some big industries;

Yeah, Italy is the 8th largest world economy. So is industry from the North finaly starting to move into the South? That could change alot of things there. In Belgium for example the South use to be Industrialised and rich whilest the North was agricultural and poor - then in the 1980s the industry moved to the poor North to profit from the low wages there. Today the South of Belgium is the poor part of the country.

Quote:6) controlled by Camorra and 'Ndrangheta : not completely, Campania has problems with Camorra, Calabria has problems with 'Ndrangheta and Sicily has problems with Mafia, but Basilicata (where I live) and Apulia are relatively free of this shit (even though Apulia had Sacra Corona Unita, but it collapsed long ago).
Not to mention that 'Ndrangheta has practically invaded Lombardy.

Is it true that there is a highway being built from Neaple into the region of Calabria that has been under construction since the 1950s and still is no where near to getting finished because mafia involvement with buisnesses, goverment contracts and unions keep messing arround with the plans?

I can imagine that regions having problems with organised crime have a hard time creating a working inferstructure and private economy.

Quote:It's really up to you how to grow up in this place!

lol

Isn`t that the case everywhere in this world. Wink
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#22
RE: Are certain horrific aspects of catholicism distinctive to that sect specificaly.
Quote:My uncle on my fathers side married an Italian, a communist from somewhere near Genua a think. It is from her that I got most stories of the uneducated and conservative South.
Hahahahah, if she's from Genova she is quite biased!

Quote: Weir. The press and almoust everything else creates the image of an Italy divided in apoor South with high unemployment and a rich North with well running economy
In these days, there is not much difference, really...

Quote: Meaning that it was shit before aswell? And before what?
I was referring to the previous point, sorry if I wasn't clear Sad

Quote:Hardly anyone here doesn`t make a holiday once every 3 to 5 years in Italy. But I always thought that the main tourist attractions were in the North. And that everything south of Neapel is nothing but goats, old people, dry lands and chemical waste fills.
Yes I see a lot of you Austrians/Germans down here... Anyway, it's weird you have never heard of Salento (the heel of the boot), it's been gaining a lot of popularity in the last years.

Quote:Yeah, Italy is the 8th largest world economy. So is industry from the North finaly starting to move into the South? That could change alot of things there. In Belgium for example the South use to be Industrialised and rich whilest the North was agricultural and poor - then in the 1980s the industry moved to the poor North to profit from the low wages there. Today the South of Belgium is the poor part of the country.
We have reached a certain balance from the '90s onwards.

Quote:Is it true that there is a highway being built from Neaple into the region of Calabria that has been under construction since the 1950s and still is no where near to getting finished because mafia involvement with buisnesses and unions keep messing arround with the plans?

I can imagine that regions having problems with organised crime have a hard time creating a working inferstructure and private economy.

Partly true. It *was* completed but they have been "modernizing" it since 1998 because many traits were not really what you would expect from a highway.
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#23
RE: Are certain horrific aspects of catholicism distinctive to that sect specificaly.
(July 31, 2013 at 12:05 pm)oukoida Wrote: Hahahahah, if she's from Genova she is quite biased!

Is there a country in this world that does ot have a "north - south" rivalry?


Quote:In these days, there is not much difference, really...

So is The Economist lying here?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ATlTWjy5zs

Quote:I was referring to the previous point, sorry if I wasn't clear Sad

Never mind, my lazy reading fault.

Quote:Yes I see a lot of you Austrians/Germans down here... Anyway, it's weird you have never heard of Salento (the heel of the boot), it's been gaining a lot of popularity in the last years.

I have only been to Rimini, Rome and Venece.

Last time a very long time ago, with Berlusconi in power there I simply thought it isn`t a place worth visiting if it`s people elect someone like that (sorry). So I didn`t really think of going there for a long time and am not up to the newest trends. I only know that alot of people are now starting to prefer Croatia, where you can buy a small house at the beach at very low prices and the taxrates for property are low and where bureaucracy and paperwork surrounding owning a property in a foreign country isn`t that complicated.

(We love to not just o to places as tourists, germans often buy property in the countries they frequently visit as tourists and owning property as a foreigner in Italy is supposedly really nervewrecking)

Quote:We have reached a certain balance from the '90s onwards.

So why is the South still so much poorer? Did the wealth trickle down to the population?

Quote:Partly true. It *was* completed but they have been "modernizing" it since 1998 because many traits were not really what you would expect from a highway.

still is a bit weird.
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#24
RE: Are certain horrific aspects of catholicism distinctive to that sect specificaly.
I'm not saying that the South and the North have reached complete balance, I'm just saying that the situation is much, much better than in the past...

Quote: Last time a very long time ago, with Berlusconi in power there I simply thought it isn`t a place worth visiting if it`s people elect someone like that (sorry).

You made me cry :'(
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.

Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.

Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.

Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.

Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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#25
RE: Are certain horrific aspects of catholicism distinctive to that sect specificaly.
(July 31, 2013 at 12:40 pm)oukoida Wrote: I'm not saying that the South and the North have reached complete balance, I'm just saying that the situation is much, much better than in the past...

Yeah, I guess your right with that and I hope things will further improve in the future.

Quote:You made me cry :'(

Really? I hope not. It`s not that I think that Italy is a unsafe place to go to or something like that. Your country just had a bad image here in the last 20 years and is currently getting a better one.
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#26
RE: Are certain horrific aspects of catholicism distinctive to that sect specificaly.
(July 31, 2013 at 1:12 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:
Quote:You made me cry :'(

Really? I hope not. It`s not that I think that Italy is a unsafe place to go to or something like that. Your country just had a bad image here in the last 20 years and is currently getting a better one.

Nah I'm such a drama queen sometimes lol
I just hate it when I hear those things because I feel so powerless against that mass of idiots who have voted him in the last 20 years.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.

Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.

Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.

Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.

Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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