US neonazis question Golden Dawn

[Chas]

Yeah, like these healthy people, piled in a traditional, virtuous manner?

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Who are those? Are they even alive?

Those are corpses at Dachau, they are beneficiaries of national socialism.

[_xenu_]

Yeah, you're right. An affront to national socialism

Im not automatically against the idea of national socialism. There's nothing wrong with a nationalistic government that promotes the interests of its citizens and stands up to corporate influence. The sad thing is, when you take out the racist bullshit, which I do not support or condone, Nazism is actually a fairly progressive philosophy. Minus the racism, I might even call myself a Nazi.

[Darth]

Progressivism isn't laden with racist bullshit? Could've fooled me.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Yeah, you're right. An affront to national socialism

Im not automatically against the idea of national socialism. There's nothing wrong with a nationalistic government that promotes the interests of its citizens and stands up to corporate influence. The sad thing is, when you take out the racist bullshit, which I do not support or condone, Nazism is actually a fairly progressive philosophy. Minus the racism, I might even call myself a Nazi.

Well my friend, one core idea to nationalism is the "pride factor". People who lack pride, purpose and a common identity will not conform to the notion of nationalism, nor any social policies associated with it.
Some nationalists who are from nations based on common culture and language, but not ethnicity or ancestry use culture and language to promote unity.
Germans are all of the same ancestry, the Germanic tribes of the old. They are of the same ethnicity. So it is only logical for them to use this as a basis in addition to the aforementioned langauge and culture.
However, to add, a nation must also have a sense of national greatness and ancestral pride. This is where national myths come in. Such myths are sometimes already existent, but in case of Germany, Hitler created one out of nothingness. That the Germans were from a mythical "aryan race", existent in reality, but not connected to the Germans beyond being of the same language family(indo-european).

He also took a symbol of the same indo-european association, but not necessarily Germanic in itself, and used it as a symbol for his party.
He was indeed a clever person, though I believe he overdid it.

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Progressivism isn't laden with racist bullshit? Could've fooled me.

Racism is progress. You eventually progress to a state of reality that in this world, you're on your own.
You come to love, protect and depend on your race, because there is none other than your own race that will do the same.

[Chas]

Im not automatically against the idea of national socialism. There's nothing wrong with a nationalistic government that promotes the interests of its citizens and stands up to corporate influence. The sad thing is, when you take out the racist bullshit, which I do not support or condone, Nazism is actually a fairly progressive philosophy. Minus the racism, I might even call myself a Nazi.

Well my friend, one core idea to nationalism is the "pride factor". People who lack pride, purpose and a common identity will not conform to the notion of nationalism, nor any social policies associated with it.
Some nationalists who are from nations based on common culture and language, but not ethnicity or ancestry use culture and language to promote unity.
Germans are all of the same ancestry, the Germanic tribes of the old. They are of the same ethnicity. So it is only logical for them to use this as a basis in addition to the aforementioned langauge and culture.
However, to add, a nation must also have a sense of national greatness and ancestral pride. This is where national myths come in. Such myths are sometimes already existent, but in case of Germany, Hitler created one out of nothingness. That the Germans were from a mythical "aryan race", existent in reality, but not connected to the Germans beyond being of the same language family(indo-european).

He also took a symbol of the same indo-european association, but not necessarily Germanic in itself, and used it as a symbol for his party.
He was indeed a clever person, though I believe he overdid it.

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Progressivism isn't laden with racist bullshit? Could've fooled me.

Racism is progress. You eventually progress to a state of reality that in this world, you're on your own.
You come to love, protect and depend on your race, because there is none other than your own race that will do the same.

Both nationalism and racism are dangerous ideas used to separate humanity instead of uniting it. They are the bases for irrational hatred.

When combined, they are evil.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well my friend, one core idea to nationalism is the "pride factor". People who lack pride, purpose and a common identity will not conform to the notion of nationalism, nor any social policies associated with it.
Some nationalists who are from nations based on common culture and language, but not ethnicity or ancestry use culture and language to promote unity.
Germans are all of the same ancestry, the Germanic tribes of the old. They are of the same ethnicity. So it is only logical for them to use this as a basis in addition to the aforementioned langauge and culture.
However, to add, a nation must also have a sense of national greatness and ancestral pride. This is where national myths come in. Such myths are sometimes already existent, but in case of Germany, Hitler created one out of nothingness. That the Germans were from a mythical "aryan race", existent in reality, but not connected to the Germans beyond being of the same language family(indo-european).

He also took a symbol of the same indo-european association, but not necessarily Germanic in itself, and used it as a symbol for his party.
He was indeed a clever person, though I believe he overdid it.

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Racism is progress. You eventually progress to a state of reality that in this world, you're on your own.
You come to love, protect and depend on your race, because there is none other than your own race that will do the same.

Both nationalism and racism are dangerous ideas used to separate humanity instead of uniting it. They are the bases for irrational hatred.

When combined, they are evil.

Well, that's where your problem is, my friend. Humanity is already seperate, and will never be one. You have to get on with reality. The future prosperity of humanity can only be archived with the seperate progress of nations.

We have seen the destruction wrought upon by internationalist ideals such as communism, capitalism and religious extremism. Nationalism is the only way for a nation to progress without internal and external problems.
You have ideologies like humanism going around today. And you face problems like immigration and job outsourcing for natives.
You face riots and integration problems. And my friend, unless you change your attitude you will continue to do so. Humanity is not one, and will never be "one".

[Chas]

Both nationalism and racism are dangerous ideas used to separate humanity instead of uniting it. They are the bases for irrational hatred.

When combined, they are evil.

Well, that's where your problem is, my friend. Humanity is already seperate, and will never be one. You have to get on with reality. The future prosperity of humanity can only be archived with the seperate progress of nations.

We have seen the destruction wrought upon by internationalist ideals such as communism, capitalism and religious extremism. Nationalism is the only way for a nation to progress without internal and external problems.
You have ideologies like humanism going around today. And you face problems like immigration and job outsourcing for natives.
You face riots and integration problems. And my friend, unless you change your attitude you will continue to do so. Humanity is not one, and will never be "one".

Your narrow, parochial view will fade as humanity progresses.

And I am not your friend.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, that's where your problem is, my friend. Humanity is already seperate, and will never be one. You have to get on with reality. The future prosperity of humanity can only be archived with the seperate progress of nations.

We have seen the destruction wrought upon by internationalist ideals such as communism, capitalism and religious extremism. Nationalism is the only way for a nation to progress without internal and external problems.
You have ideologies like humanism going around today. And you face problems like immigration and job outsourcing for natives.
You face riots and integration problems. And my friend, unless you change your attitude you will continue to do so. Humanity is not one, and will never be "one".

Your narrow, parochial view will fade as humanity progresses.

And I am not your friend.

Well, to do this, you have to provide humanity with a single culture, single race, single culture, and single consciousness.
Anything that is "different" must be eradicated to archive this idea of a "unified humanity".
And you call me dangerous, eh?

[Captain Colostomy]

Humanity is one, Mehmet...it is only lack of vision that makes us think otherwise. In face of a global catastrophe, for instance, differences suddenly seem petty. Our task should be recognizing these same differences as petty now.

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Variety is the spice of life, man, no need to make bland stew!

[kılıç_mehmet]

Humanity is one, Mehmet...it is only lack of vision that makes us think otherwise. In face of a global catastrophe, for instance, differences suddenly seem petty. Our task should be recognizing these same differences as petty now.

No it is not, my good friend. Just as lion prides, and chimp tribes are not one, neither is humanity.
Being "one" requires you to have be the same in every aspect possible. Not just anatomy.
In face of a global catastrophe, people get together because their interests require them to do so. A temporary alliance so to say.
Nothing more.
Differences are not petty, they are the outcome of thousands of years of different linguistical and cultural evolution my friend. You cannot toss these aside.