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Michael Schubert · (This post was last modified: August 11, 2013 at 10:36 pm by Michael Schubert.)

(August 10, 2013 at 4:16 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(August 10, 2013 at 3:25 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: What? No thank you for arguing faith is unfounded?

Don't spoil it now You were doing so well!

If I have to find Jesus, does that mean he's hiding?

(August 11, 2013 at 6:50 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I fail to understand how you can believe in something that you admit has no verifiable evidence for it.

You even state elsewhere that it can't have evidence for it!

My position is this.

People are prone to believe all sorts of stupid things. (scientologists I'm looking at you).
The only way to cut out prejudices, wishful thinking and cultural bias is with verifiable evidence.
Without it you just have an unsupported idea that can be dismissed as at best unproven but probably just wrong.

Faith is the ultimate form of dishonesty. It is illogical to believe something you don't have any evidence for.

**NoraBrimstone** · August 12, 2013 at 5:05 am

Fr0d0, you need to think just a teeny-tiny little bit more on this subject. You must be able to almost feel the epiphany brewing.

~~fr0d0~~ · August 12, 2013 at 5:16 am

(August 11, 2013 at 10:33 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote: If I have to find Jesus, does that mean he's hiding?

It is illogical to believe something you don't have any evidence for.

1. No, you just have to open your eyes

2. Agreed. This is not what I'm thanking you for tho

~~Edwardo Piet~~ · August 12, 2013 at 5:17 am

Illogical in what way? In the sense of contradictory or irrational?

ITChick · August 12, 2013 at 5:20 am

(August 12, 2013 at 5:16 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(August 11, 2013 at 10:33 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote: If I have to find Jesus, does that mean he's hiding?

It is illogical to believe something you don't have any evidence for.

1. No, you just have to open your eyes

2. Agreed. This is not what I'm thanking you for tho

The first thing I saw when I opened my eyes this morning was my boyfriend. Does that mean that he is Jesus? Cool! The "turning water into wine" trick will be particularly useful.

~~fr0d0~~ · August 12, 2013 at 5:20 am

(August 12, 2013 at 5:05 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Fr0d0, you need to think just a teeny-tiny little bit more on this subject. You must be able to almost feel the epiphany brewing.

Please expand. Do you think Christians believe that there is verifiable evidence? Can you find me any that manage to show it to you?

No Nora, this is our position: there can't be any. You demanding it off them hugely supports Christianity. The truth is like you affirm for us. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Thanks! Smile

~~Edwardo Piet~~ · August 12, 2013 at 5:20 am

You have a boyfriend?

Fuck.

~~fr0d0~~ · (This post was last modified: August 12, 2013 at 5:27 am by fr0d0.)

(August 12, 2013 at 5:20 am)ITChick Wrote: The first thing I saw when I opened my eyes this morning was my boyfriend. Does that mean that he is Jesus? Cool! The "turning water into wine" trick will be particularly useful.

Hi Chicklet! Wink

Now you're being like people who think they should be able to see verifiable evidence of the invisible!

I'ma set my friends here on you Wink

(August 12, 2013 at 5:17 am)HalcyonicTrust Wrote: Illogical in what way? In the sense of contradictory or irrational?

Both Mike, wouldn't you agree?

ITChick · (This post was last modified: August 12, 2013 at 5:41 am by ITChick.)

(August 12, 2013 at 5:26 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(August 12, 2013 at 5:20 am)ITChick Wrote: The first thing I saw when I opened my eyes this morning was my boyfriend. Does that mean that he is Jesus? Cool! The "turning water into wine" trick will be particularly useful.

Hi Chicklet!

Now you're being like people who think they should be able to see verifiable evidence of the invisible!

I'ma set my friends here on you

(August 12, 2013 at 5:17 am)HalcyonicTrust Wrote: Illogical in what way? In the sense of contradictory or irrational?

Both Mike, wouldn't you agree?

Hehe - pretty illogical. But you started it with the "open your eyes" comment - come on Frodo, we expect better from you Smile

Edit: I really do dislike being captain obvious, but sometimes it is needed.

~~Edwardo Piet~~ · August 12, 2013 at 5:37 am

fr0d0,

Contradictory=impossible. So you believe in a God that isn't there and cannot exist since it cannot even be defined in a possible way.

You are basically admitting that you are wrong and cannot be right.

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