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[AnaMejiaP]

If you can give me a few minutes I'll be able to answer the "suppose contradictions." Also, have you read the Bible in a exegesis way to understand these verses that you stated that have contradictions or did you just looked up "contradiction in the Bible?"

Yes, let's pause here for a moment while AnaMejiaP goes to CARM.ORG and learns the many twisted ways of slathering bullshit on these contradictions to make them work......doo doo doo..doo doo doot doo doo.............................


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LOL!!!!!! That was actually funny. Oh, I do like to read CARM.ORG (I don't exactly agree on everything he says, but I do like reading his stuff) Sadly though, I will not be using him as a reliable source. Sorry to disappoint you, also you did not answer my question.

[Nightfoot92]

really? you still haven't answered my question. Odd, isn't it? when people get called bullshit on them, they cut tail and run. you still haven't answered my question, and you are actively dodging it. I was never making an accusation. it was an observation. Trying to use age as a reason to ignore someone is stupid and ignorant. Age has nothing to do with how intelligent a person is, and trying to use it like such pisses me the fuck off. I am at the age where I can think for myself and use critical thinking. I am not a mere "child". I do not claim to know everything, as such things are for foolish people. but that has nothing to do with how the bible contradicts itself. it is in blatant, day/night, right/wrong terms.

Shouldn't you be doing your homework or cutting the grass?

I could say the same about you. shouldn't you be off preaching or going to work?

[John V]

Moving on:

now this one is from 2 gospels that were supposedly written by the same person. who was at the tomb?

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

At the least, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome were there. There's no contradiction, as neither Matthew nor John say "only."

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Is Jesus lesser than or equal to God?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Similar to the first one, you ask either/or, when the answer is both. Jesus is by nature equal to the father, but voluntarily lowered himself.

Phil 2
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

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Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

None of these say that it's folly to be wise. You need to explain what you see as contradiction.

[Nightfoot92]

Yes, let's pause here for a moment while AnaMejiaP goes to CARM.ORG and learns the many twisted ways of slathering bullshit on these contradictions to make them work......doo doo doo..doo doo doot doo doo.............................


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LOL!!!!!! That was actually funny. Oh, I do like to read CARM.ORG (I don't exactly agree on everything he says, but I do like reading his stuff) Sadly though, I will not be using him as a reliable source. Sorry to disappoint you, also you did not answer my question.

Moving on:

now this one is from 2 gospels that were supposedly written by the same person. who was at the tomb?

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

At the least, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome were there. There's no contradiction, as neither Matthew nor John say "only."

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Is Jesus lesser than or equal to God?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Similar to the first one, you ask either/or, when the answer is both. Jesus is by nature equal to the father, but voluntarily lowered himself.

Phil 2
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

fine. Ill give you those ones. but what about the others?

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Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
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It says that you should get wisdom, but it also says that God will destroy the wisdom of the wise. Why? Why tell people that wisdom is a good thing and then destroy wisdom? It makes no sense.

[John V]

It says that you should get wisdom, but it also says that God will destroy the wisdom of the wise. Why? Why tell people that wisdom is a good thing and then destroy wisdom? It makes no sense.

If you actually read 1Cor1, you'll see that Paul is juxtaposing worldly wisdom with the wisdom of god, and it is not at all contradictory that god would destroy worldly wisdom which opposes him.

[Nightfoot92]

how about all those other verses? the ones that directly conflict each other historically. like how Judas died, or Jesus's last words, or how many children michal had. none of those make any sense in any context.

[John V]

Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

None of those passages specify that the words quoted were Jesus' last. You incorrectly infer that to force a contradiction. Each account is partial, with each author focusing on a different aspect. They are complementary, not contradictory.

Judas died how?

"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)

He hanged himself, the body swelled up, then fell and burst asunder. Again, complementary partial accounts.

how many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

The second verse is disputed. Some manuscripts, and some English translations, say the five sons of Merab, who was Michal's sister. Some scholars believe there was a copyist's error at some point, while speculate that Merab died and Michal raised the children for her.

[Drich]

I am going to start of on a different leg here. Instead of mocking your religion, I have a question. Why believe in God? Just why? I can't fathom trusting in a book to govern my entire life, especially when it contradicts itself on theological and historical events.

My answer is that God in that book make very specific promises, if you do what is asked of you. I did and received what I was promised plus a whole lot more.

[Ryantology]

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[AnaMejiaP]

you disagree on the bible contradicting? you can't disagree on that. Something like that is either true or not true. there is no inbetween. It is entirely a true or false choice. I will now show you a multitude of contradicting bible passages.

Psalms 149:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
is the abrahamic god a god of peace or war?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

now this one is from 2 gospels that were supposedly written by the same person. who was at the tomb?

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Is Jesus lesser than or equal to God?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Righteous live?

PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Years of famine

II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

God be seen?

EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)

Tempts?

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)

Judas died how?

"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)

What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?

Before the cock crow - MAT 26:34

Before the cock crow twice - MAR 14:30

how many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

these are merely some of the few contradictions in the bible. I can name a plethora more, but then this post will be far to long. how can you say the bible doesn't contradict itself?

If you can give me a few minutes I'll be able to answer the "suppose contradictions." Also, have you read the Bible in a exegesis way to understand these verses that you stated that have contradictions or did you just looked up "contradiction in the Bible?"

First I will like to state that you cannot read the Bible like it’s just a book. The Bible contains 66 books and each have to be examine carefully, whether it’s historically, textual criticism, origin of the text, cultural background, literary, and other analysis, especially its authenticity. Almost like reading a poem. I truly believe there are not any contradiction in the Bible (but clearly you seem to believe there is) which I will answer.
Oh another thing why are you using the KJV? That version…is pretty lame.
By examining these verses one must know the attributes of God.
Psalms 149:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
1. ^ That verse is not correct: here is what 149:9 (NLT) to execute the judgment written against them. This is the glorious privilege of his faithful ones….hmm you sure you didn’t copy & paste?

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
^ Again wrong verse.

is the abrahamic god a god of peace or war?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
Finally a right verse: We must look at these two verses in different context and in different times. Exodus at the time the Israelites were just set free from their oppressors and God fought for them. On the other hand, yes God is a God of peace but he did not ever promise peace for the wicked “There is no peace for the wicked says the LORD.” Isaiah 48:22. You cannot compare Romans towards Exodus, because Romans is specifically being told to believers.


now this one is from 2 gospels that were supposedly written by the same person. who was at the tomb?
Written by the same person? Uh……..Matthew, Mark and John are three different people, who wrote on different times, from different locations.

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Mary Mag, Mary, Salome were all at the tomb, there is no contradiction there. Matt, Mark, and John wrote the Gospel differently, but are still similar in their own ways.

Is Jesus lesser than or equal to God?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
He is both, no contradiction if you read the passages in context and understand the essence of Jesus in his role inside the Trinity. We must assume through scripture that Jesus claimed that he was all Man and all God, born in human flesh he is subjected to a subservient role to the father. His role is different from the Father and the Holy Spirit but it does not mean that it alters the essential equality of Jesus or the father.

Is it folly to be wise or not?
You really did just copy and paste.
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Again you must look at it in a contextual observation. When Ecclesiastes was written, it was written when king Solomon was at his peak of disappointment, where he had everything but none of it made him happy, and you have to look at the text that comes before hand. “I said myself, “look I am wiser than any of the kings who ruled in Jerusalem before me. I have greater wisdom and knowledge than any of them. So I set out to learn everything from wisdom to madness and folly, but I learned firsthand that pursuing all this is like chasing the wind. The greater my wisdom, the greater my grief. To increase knowledge only increases sorrow. The author intent is saying that he went in search of all these things (as if he was getting more questions than answers), learning from wisdom, madness and folly and only found disappointment (wordly things); he became prideful and learned more than he could handle. Then in Proverbs you must read the whole chapter to understand what Solomon (in a different time of his life), he clearly states an advice that was given from his father (David) (4:4) and as you see in Ecclesiastes how he really didn’t follow that advice. Plus the wisdom that David is talking about is wisdom in God.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Sigh. If you’re going to use just one verse of the Bible, please use the whole passage. Or better yet, don’t look up on google/yahoo or any other search engine the verses of the bible that supposedly contradicts each other, and by that you get verses like this that can’t support itself without the whole passage.
Starts from 1 corinthians 1:18-25
The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction. But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent” So where does this leave the philosopher, God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would NEVER know him through human wisdom. He has used our foolish peaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the greeks, who seek human wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all NONSENSE.
That passage speek for itself, it speaks the foolishness of human wisdom.
The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

AGAIN this is all about context, historical and cultural background
Isaiah 14:21 is a prophecy against Babylon (which indeed happen) 14:21 specifically states the children of Babylon before that it said “Let the offspring of the wicked never be mentioned again” – The history behind the Babylonians were very dark, wicked, merciless people.
Deuteronomy seriously?? There’s no contradiction in here either. Deuteronomy is the book of the law, basically given laws the Jews about how to behave/disciple and etc….These rules were specifically being spoken towards the Jews.

Righteous live?

PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."
What’s the contradiction here exactly?

Here's part of some of the verses you put up. I'll put up more later.

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I am going to start of on a different leg here. Instead of mocking your religion, I have a question. Why believe in God? Just why? I can't fathom trusting in a book to govern my entire life, especially when it contradicts itself on theological and historical events.

My answer is that God in that book make very specific promises, if you do what is asked of you. I did and received what I was promised plus a whole lot more.

It does not govern ones life. If that's all you see of The Bible then you're definitely misinterpreting the use of the bible and other Christians (I do though agree that most Christian can be an ass.) I choose to follow the Bible, it doesn't choose me. How does it theological contradict or even historically? The Bible names every people, place and events exactly as it has happen Archaeologist and historians even agreed to this. Every name in the Bible were real, and the places. Please if so give examples.