A couple of metaphors...

[Drich]

It depends on the farmer, the culture the farmer is in, How cats are viewed, how Dog's are viewed, and most importantly the reason for the farmers actions.

You are describing a senerio that explains nothing, let alone tied your little senerio to God in any way shape or form. your trying to make a blind appeal to emotion.

It's a metaphor, guys. If I need to describe what everything means in it, you're just not getting the point, nor do I think you can.

Let me be more clear:

For the book, it's obvious. Studying the way the world works gives far more accurate answers than just going by blind faith. Is research and science always right? Of course not. That can be proven. But so can the fallacy of faith. That can be proven, too, and has been, numerous times. Christians just close their minds to those proofs. It's the only way they can be right. And they call atheists Relativists? Read through this forum for examples of Christian fallacy.

God knows every sin that ever was and ever will be, and he has the power to stop every one. He's the farmer sitting on the patio with his shotgun. But the vast majority of the time the crimes and atrocities happen with no interference by a God (some are stopped by human rescue or just dumb luck). And if we go by Christian understanding, the criminals will get what's coming to them in the afterlife. WTF? An omnipotent, omniscient, omni-everything being could have stopped the crime from happening in the here and now? And yet he doesn't? Is that love or justice?

No, that's just brutal INDIFFERENCE. And if it's some sort of plan of God's, I might as well go out and kill somebody, because it would be what God planned, so it's okay to do.

Non-secular morality is fantasy bullshit. Crimes need to be dealt with in the here and now, not saved for the afterlife. It's simple logic. Why can't you guys see that? There is no current love from a supreme being in this world. Murders far outnumber heroic rescues and escapes. And if that's a god's plan for the universe, then it's obvious that WE JUST DON'T MATTER TO HIM.

Why? Because he just doesn't frickin' exist, that's why. =P

Metaphores only work when they paralell what is being discussed in some way shape or form.

[Minimalist]

1.
What would give you a better book report grade? Reading the book, or just keeping the book closed and having someone, who only skimmed through the book, tell you what they think the story is about?

2.
A farmer walks out into his yard, and finds his cat torn to pieces. Angered, he looks around to see who or what could have done this. He soon finds his blood-and-fur covered dog chasing after another cat. The farmer grabs the dog, spanks him, then throws him into the kennel for a week as punishment.

A second farmer is sitting on his back porch cleaning his shot gun. His cat comes frantically running around the house. His dog is in hot pursuit. Right in front of the farmer, the dog catches the cat and begins tearing it to pieces. The farmer watches the entire skirmish, but stays sitting on the porch, cleaning his gun. Once the dog is done, the farmer says "I'm gonna punish you for that later!" Then he keeps wiping his gun while the dog runs off looking for another cat.

Which farmer was more right?

It depends on the farmer, the culture the farmer is in, How cats are viewed, how Dog's are viewed, and most importantly the reason for the farmers actions.

You are describing a senerio that explains nothing, let alone tied your little senerio to God in any way shape or form. your trying to make a blind appeal to emotion.

And it pisses you off that he nailed your silly "god" so cleanly!

[John V]

1.
What would give you a better book report grade? Reading the book, or just keeping the book closed and having someone, who only skimmed through the book, tell you what they think the story is about?

Reading it.

2.
A farmer walks out into his yard, and finds his cat torn to pieces. Angered, he looks around to see who or what could have done this. He soon finds his blood-and-fur covered dog chasing after another cat. The farmer grabs the dog, spanks him, then throws him into the kennel for a week as punishment.

A second farmer is sitting on his back porch cleaning his shot gun. His cat comes frantically running around the house. His dog is in hot pursuit. Right in front of the farmer, the dog catches the cat and begins tearing it to pieces. The farmer watches the entire skirmish, but stays sitting on the porch, cleaning his gun. Once the dog is done, the farmer says "I'm gonna punish you for that later!" Then he keeps wiping his gun while the dog runs off looking for another cat.

Which farmer was more right?

The second one. Although he's delaying action, his ultimate solution will be permanent. The first farmer didn't change his dog at all. In a week he'll be killing cats again.

[Minimalist]

Although he's delaying action, his ultimate solution will be permanent.

In the meantime, the dog keeps killing cats.

Oh, yeah. You're a xtian. You don't care about stuff like that.

[John V]

In the meantime, the dog keeps killing cats.

In a week, the other dog will be too.

Oh, yeah. You're a xtian. You don't care about stuff like that.

You're an evolutionist. You shouldn't care about stuff like that. I have an outdoor cat. It hasn't been bitten by a dog yet, because unlike you, it's not a freaking idiot.

[Minimalist]

I am an atheist, asshole. Not an "evolutionist" which is a category created by dumbfucks like you and Ray Comfort. He's your pal...not mine.

[Drich]

And it pisses you off that he nailed your silly "god" so cleanly!

Then please by all means minnie explain how his metaphore compares to God. He can't but appearently you can so pick up where the op left off.

[John V]

I am an atheist, asshole.

A comma is a terrible thing to waste.

[Minimalist]

Go fuck yourself and your fucking god.

[John V]

Can't - I have a date with your sister.