Genocide in the Old Testament

[John V]

So who then decided what is and is not sin?

I'm pretty sure God did.

[Minimalist]

A couple off the top of my head: God doesn't sin, we do. God is the creator, we are the creation.

Why don't you put the top of your head back on....it's a bit late because it sounds as if your brains have already leaked out but such absurd bullshit may be necessary for you to convince yourself but you aren't going to make many converts around here.

I never could understand why you people cannot grow up and see your fairy tales for what they are.

Why are you so fucking stupid?

[Faith No More]

John, you appear to be defending the notion that god is perfect by defining perfection as the qualities god possesses. By what criteria do you presume that we should judge the behavior and qualities of this god as perfect?

[John V]

I never could understand why you people cannot grow up and see your fairy tales for what they are.

That's a common and interesting point made by atheists - interesting in that you're proclaiming your own deficiency.

I can understand why you guys don't believe. I can understand why people believe in other gods or philosophies. A normal human who talks to others and does some reading should be able to figure these things out.

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John, you appear to be defending the notion that god is perfect by defining perfection as the qualities god possesses. By what criteria do you presume that we should judge the behavior and qualities of this god as perfect?

It would be more accurate to say that I'm attacking the notion that god is objectively imperfect.

[Minimalist]

We don't believe because fuckheads like you have no evidence that your story is true...or even possible let alone probable.

Do you still believe in Santa? The Easter Bunny? The Great Pumpkin?

If not, why not? It's all silly childish shit that you should have grown out of long before hitting puberty.

[Brian37]

So who then decided what is and is not sin?

I'm pretty sure God did.

Which one? Let me guess, out of all the humans who have lived in the past and all the current 7 billion now, you somehow magically got the cosmic decoder ring that allowed you to decode your comic book.

Listening to god claims is like being a DMV employee, long lines full of mostly people who should not have a license.

"God did it", *yawn*. Get in line and take a number.

[max-greece]

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Nothing, except the stench of theist deflection. How about you take off the cool shades and at least acknowledge the assessment?

Sure. If you want to continue discussing your intellectual dishonesty, that's fine by me. I mentioned differences based on age or societal authority. I acknowledge that you twisted those to race. Happy?

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We have already established that we are using a subset of imperfections. Full compliance with them does not indicate perfection, non-compliance dictates a lack of perfection, however.

After creation the Bible says it was all very good. Unless you can prove an imperfection in Adam at that point, he was a perfect human.

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Oh - and as we have used logic to decide the bible is not accurate quoting humanity as having, in history, perfection is meaningless if you are getting that from the Bible.

Huh?

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John V. could you please illustrate the standard by which god is worthy and we are not?

A couple off the top of my head: God doesn't sin, we do. God is the creator, we are the creation.

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Yes - not my best sentence. I'll try again:

We have established logically that God is not perfect.
The Bible says that God is perfect.
Therefore the Bible cannot be relied on.
You quote the story of Adam as a perfect man.
This is irrelevant as it comes from the Bible.
In short - Adam never existed.

[John V]

Which one?

Considering that this is the Christianity forum...

Why don't you just post this and be done with it:

[Lemonvariable72]

So who then decided what is and is not sin?

I'm pretty sure God did.

And what methodology did he use?

[Brian37]

I cannot for that matter see how anyone can make one of the attributes "all loving" to a god claim. How is it "love" to tell your fan that you exist, tell them to spread the message, only to be tortured by skeptics.

And if he is all powerful and nothing happens he doesn't want to happen, then he is getting his jollies watching us beat the shit out of your claims. Nice dad you have.

Now please, this is merely attacking the idea that a god is required to explain life and attack on the concepts of the claimed attributes. I do not hate your god anymore than I hate Mickey Mouse or Lex Luthor.

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I'm pretty sure God did.

And what methodology did he use?

Same one they all use "Naked assertion<=it feels good<=desired outcome"