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Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
If he really were reincarnated, why wouldn't he get 100% of the details 100% correct?
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#12
RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm)Chuck Wrote: Is the alternative - totally new incorrigible fools are born every day - better than the theory of reincarnation, which suggests the same flock of fools returns time and again to screw with the world?

Perhaps it's cunning a way of keeping incorrigible fools locked up in physical bodies of matter where the harm they can do is limited or something, I don't know. Reminds me of this rather cool HP Lovecraft story where this guys soul goes off to kill some kind of cosmic space alien.





(September 17, 2013 at 3:20 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: If he really were reincarnated, why wouldn't he get 100% of the details 100% correct?

We don't necessarily remember everything in our own lives 100% correctly so there could be some scrambling or confusion or perhaps two different lives mixed together.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 17, 2013 at 3:27 pm)Zone Wrote: We don't necessarily remember everything in our own lives 100% correctly so there could be some scrambling or confusion or perhaps two different lives mixed together.

Well, considering memory is entirely to do with your brain, I doubt any memories would go with you after brain death.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 17, 2013 at 2:45 pm)Zone Wrote: How would he have been able to find out what he did and pass it off as a story about his former life? It was an remote obscure location and he mentioned some small details that match. So it's fairly good testimonial evidence.

My whole point is this is why these stories are always about children and not adults. If this were an adult it would be so not appear amazing, you would just say 'someone researched something obscure and is faking those details.' That's why these con-men and rubes always use children for this stuff, the child couldn't possibly do this by himself!

Here is a hint: he isn't. Either him making stuff up and other people using cold call techniques to make it seem real or an adult feeding him information are both infinitely more likely than reincarnation being true.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 17, 2013 at 3:34 pm)frankiej Wrote: Well, considering memory is entirely to do with your brain, I doubt any memories would go with you after brain death.

Is it? I wouldn't know. I don't think there is a single location in the brain where memories are stored like a computer hard-drive. Damage to the brain does cause memory loss but it could for all we know damage the brains capability to access memory rather than remove physical data storage media. But know what happens when make a claim of knowledge, you have a burden of proof to go with it. I just said there's some interesting evidence for reincarnation and gave you some so that's allowed.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 17, 2013 at 2:45 pm)Zone Wrote:
(September 17, 2013 at 2:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No. Reincarnation is superstitious bullshit just like any other.

It's technically possible though it doesn't have to be related to any specific religion, it could just be a part of the natural world we don't know anything about. If someone can prove they had a past life by providing details they shouldn't ought to know then it's worthy of interest. The boys information was good enough managed to locate his former house on the island and describe small details which is quite impressive. From what I know there are other cases like this one.

No, it's not "technically possible" as it would require the post-mortem preservation of identity - for which there is no mechanism.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 17, 2013 at 3:03 pm)Zone Wrote: There's some other interesting subjects of note that are worth a look. Telekinesis for instance, seen here operating under a glass bowl. This could be some kind of evidence of consciousness operating beyond the body to some tiny extent.

Or, it could be the evidence of someone blowing on the table under the non-airtight glass bowl and moving the very light weight tinfoil. You'll noticed that the "telekinesis" doesn't work nearly as well under the glass bowl as it does without it.

But I'd like to see him try that with a rubber seal under the glass bowl. I'm guessing he'd be there all day trying to move the damn thing.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 17, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Chas Wrote: No, it's not "technically possible" as it would require the post-mortem preservation of identity - for which there is no mechanism.

There could be something like that but we don't necessarily know anything about it or how it would work. There isn't a reason to wall anything off as out of bounds.

(September 17, 2013 at 4:26 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Or, it could be the evidence of someone blowing on the table under the non-airtight glass bowl and moving the very light weight tinfoil. You'll noticed that the "telekinesis" doesn't work nearly as well under the glass bowl as it does without it.

But I'd like to see him try that with a rubber seal under the glass bowl. I'm guessing he'd be there all day trying to move the damn thing.

The guy doing it is an atheist and a skeptic and has made several videos revealing the tricks people who fake telekinesis use so he seems fairly legit. He's doing it as a scientific study and claims it's something natural everyone can do with some practice.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 17, 2013 at 4:39 pm)Zone Wrote:
(September 17, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Chas Wrote: No, it's not "technically possible" as it would require the post-mortem preservation of identity - for which there is no mechanism.

There could be something like that but we don't necessarily know anything about it or how it would work. There isn't a reason to wall anything off as out of bounds when it's beyond the limits of what we know.

Science would progress haphazardly, if at all, if we didn't consciously limit the variables we can imagine.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
I think this thread and Zone's whole attitude displays something very important. Some people misplace their skepticism. He is eager to debunk (or when he can't, ignore) all the rational explanations of these tricks, but he doesn't have anything near that criticism for the tricks themselves. Cold calls and magic tricks have been around forever and people who are fooled into thinking they prove the supernatural just haven't looked into or don't understand how they work.
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