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Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 18, 2013 at 9:52 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:
(September 17, 2013 at 3:03 pm)Zone Wrote: I don't think we know enough about consciousness to be able to say exactly what it is and how it's formed at this point. Anything you do want to say is a belief without evidence. Though something like this video a possible bit of evidence, something that was tested and to a good extent verified. He did get the car accident wrong but the house on an island in the Outer Hebrides he got right. This isn't a "Just believe it and it could be true" kind of thing if there's evidence.

There's some other interesting subjects of note that are worth a look. Telekinesis for instance, seen here operating under a glass bowl. This could be some kind of evidence of consciousness operating beyond the body to some tiny extent. This doesn't have to be anything supernatural at all just something we haven't covered yet.



I've seen this trick before. Look at
the giant air gap betweeen the bowl
and the flat surface. I'd like to see
this trick performed with a light dust
of flour surrounding the bowl. Air
current is involved in this trick.

Uri Geller popularized this con back in the 70s. He did it with a fish tank and pen or pencil. Same thing though, slight tiny gap between the tank and the surface.

Be it a god or a illusion or conspiracy or con, it really all amounts if the believer wants to believe it badly enough, they will.

PT Barnum "There is a sucker born every minute".
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#52
RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
The idea of reincarnation in the philosophical sense implies some sort of spiritual aspect to humanity. With that said evidence is pretty clear as it stands that it might not be real. However, the mind capabilities are just being explored and how our brain interacts with the environment is being discovered. I think it is too hasty to rule out anything considering our intelligence is rather infant compared to the potential we might have. While my personal beliefs remain skeptical, I do not state it is impossible in the future do "meta-natural" things. There is skeptics who question in a healthy manner then there are skeptics who are just skeptical because they are following an ideology that requires at times cognitive dissonance to maintain. I feel most super natural claims are explained through science and again my personal opinion is right now it is not possible.
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#53
RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 19, 2013 at 10:09 am)bladevalant546 Wrote: The idea of reincarnation in the philosophical sense implies some sort of spiritual aspect to humanity. With that said evidence is pretty clear as it stands that it might not be real. However, the mind capabilities are just being explored and how our brain interacts with the environment is being discovered. I think it is too hasty to rule out anything considering our intelligence is rather infant compared to the potential we might have. While my personal beliefs remain skeptical, I do not state it is impossible in the future do "meta-natural" things. There is skeptics who question in a healthy manner then there are skeptics who are just skeptical because they are following an ideology that requires at times cognitive dissonance to maintain. I feel most super natural claims are explained through science and again my personal opinion is right now it is not possible.

There are't as many skeptics in the world as I would wish for.
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#54
RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 19, 2013 at 10:22 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(September 19, 2013 at 10:09 am)bladevalant546 Wrote: The idea of reincarnation in the philosophical sense implies some sort of spiritual aspect to humanity. With that said evidence is pretty clear as it stands that it might not be real. However, the mind capabilities are just being explored and how our brain interacts with the environment is being discovered. I think it is too hasty to rule out anything considering our intelligence is rather infant compared to the potential we might have. While my personal beliefs remain skeptical, I do not state it is impossible in the future do "meta-natural" things. There is skeptics who question in a healthy manner then there are skeptics who are just skeptical because they are following an ideology that requires at times cognitive dissonance to maintain. I feel most super natural claims are explained through science and again my personal opinion is right now it is not possible.

There are't as many skeptics in the world as I would wish for.

True, but when you look where our voice was in 2001 and before, it was virtually nothing. Since however, skeptics have exploded out of the gates with tons of websites, best selling books, and growing outed population to the tune of a 9% increase worldwide.

I don't see us having a majority in the world's population, at least not in my lifetime. But skeptics are certainly putting superstition and religion on notice that they are not going to get a pass or bully us.
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#55
RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
I can agree 100% charlatans should be caught and justice be brought to bear. I merely get annoyed at skepticism for the sake of being a skeptic rather than finding the truth. Which in my opinion is not true skeptcism. Being in the church for a while we can use more skeptics to catch these crooks as I know a few of them myself. But alas money makes you powerful, even worse money plus a powerful ideology backed by people even worse.
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#56
RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
I think the distinction needs to be made between skepticism and cynicism.
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RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 18, 2013 at 9:52 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I've seen this trick before. Look at
the giant air gap betweeen the bowl
and the flat surface. I'd like to see
this trick performed with a light dust
of flour surrounding the bowl. Air
current is involved in this trick.

That's what I said. Notice how much longer it takes him to move the tinfoil with the bowl over it? Obviously he's not moving as much air around it, but he is moving air underneath the bowl. Like I said, I'd like to see him replicate the experiment using a rubber seal underneath the bowl. I'm betting he'd be sitting there for a very long time trying to move the foil. At any rate, it's not evidence of telekinesis because you can't rule out air currents under the bowl which doesn't make an airtight seal. It's just magic tricks being pawned off as woo.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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#58
RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
(September 19, 2013 at 11:40 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote:
(September 18, 2013 at 9:52 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I've seen this trick before. Look at
the giant air gap betweeen the bowl
and the flat surface. I'd like to see
this trick performed with a light dust
of flour surrounding the bowl. Air
current is involved in this trick.

That's what I said. Notice how much longer it takes him to move the tinfoil with the bowl over it? Obviously he's not moving as much air around it, but he is moving air underneath the bowl. Like I said, I'd like to see him replicate the experiment using a rubber seal underneath the bowl. I'm betting he'd be sitting there for a very long time trying to move the foil. At any rate, it's not evidence of telekinesis because you can't rule out air currents under the bowl which doesn't make an airtight seal. It's just magic tricks being pawned off as woo.

It is a sad thing is it not? I personally would like to see someone actually test this however, without peer reviewed experiments it hard to make sure no tampering was involved.
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#59
RE: Would this be decent evidence for reincarnation?
Use the Farce Luke!
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