Russia Bans The Quran

[Rahul]

At least Christianity had the Renaissance. Islam never had that. They tend to be more extreme with their religious beliefs because of this.

[Something completely different]

At least Christianity had the Renaissance. Islam never had that. They tend to be more extreme with their religious beliefs because of this.

That is an utterly wrong notion.

The islamic world use to be more tolerant than the west right into the 17th century.

And the idea that the renaissance was something like an age of tolerants or whatever is probably an American romantisation of European history.

During the Renaissance ancient Greek culture may have had a revival, but there were also more witch hunts than before and there certainly was more religious violence as catholics and protestants started and kept slaughtering each other over the course of 200 to 300 years.

The movement of wahabism which is mainly responsible for todays radical islamist movement came into existance in Saudi Arabia during the 19th century.

And it is the radical islamist movement of wahabism which would poison the islamic world.

Ironicaly, as Europe started to become more and more tolerant, the arab world (because it was mainly a development that took place in arab and not the entire islamic world) got more and more viciously fanatisised.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

And christianity is any different? They have justified discrimination, hate, wars, slavery, you name it in the name of religion. Yet they changed. Not as much as they need, but they are far better than they were 500 years ago. They still justify hate, discrimination and wars, but not as bad.

A lot of the problems today in the middle east comes from the tribal culture and quite frankly from poverty. When you live in poverty it is easy to find a greener path on the otherside and justify some of the worst crimes. As muslims move into this country and given time their culture changes. Religion doesn't triumph culture, it is the other way around.

Christianity today is very different from the Christianity that did all those things.

That's what I was saying the muslims can change but the religion will never change. For a lot of muslims even in western countries religion is closely intertwined with culture and their community. They are not extremists because living a nonextremist life is somewhat more enjoyable and they eventually adopt new ideas. But that's different than saying religion has nothing to do with what is going on with those extremist muslims, of course it plays a part, religion is almost inseparable from their culture. The middle east isn't the only spot on earth with poverty. US has lots of poverty as well.

[Mystical]

You know, I don't have anything against people with guns. But usually it's those with the guns that I talk to, who are 'afraid' of muslims or anyone else for that matter. Newsflash: no one's afraid of muslims taking over the government besides fear-induced wingnuts who want a reason to shoot someone else. Oh and Christians who are do afraid of another people and their beliefs that they'd be willing to kill them.
How is that any different from those in the middle east who actually do shoot each other? It's not.
Romanticizing about lawlessness and violence is in and of itself, wrong. I asked a friends brother why he was wearing a gun on his belt to his neices' bday party last night in a public place. He said someone said they were going to kick his ass and he was hoping they would try. That epitifies everything that's wrong with the US, not religious tolerance.

Newsflash: Religious tolerance does not equal Extremist tolerance.

Write that down.

[DeistPaladin]

This is completely the wrong way to go. We need to fight religion but not with government censorship. The weapons we need to use to fight religion are two terrible words that no religion can withstand:

PROVE IT!

And the United States already has a constitutional amendment against Sharia law. It's called the first amendment.

[Isun]

Religions is just a bit better than they were hundreds of years ago. especially the conservative evangelicals still teach hate, discrimination, and promote ignorance. They still promote war as they have been fully in support of Israel because of the imagined 2nd coming. Promoting war in the middle east. It goes on and on and on. Terrorism against doctors, gays, liberals, etc.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Religions is just a bit better than they were hundreds of years ago. especially the conservative evangelicals still teach hate, discrimination, and promote ignorance. They still promote war as they have been fully in support of Israel because of the imagined 2nd coming. Promoting war in the middle east. It goes on and on and on. Terrorism against doctors, gays, liberals, etc.

Are you going to say these is culturally motivated and not religiously motivated? Why the double standard?

[Psykhronic]

I'm not about to go apeshit about the existence of Muslims. The extremists are horrible, yes, and many Islamic countries have problems - but it's not Islam alone causing that. And censorship is stupid.

Also, my psychiatrist is a muslim - clearly a threat to society

[Jiggerj]

I don't care for any religions. But Islam is the worst.

Will Islam eventually take over? Maybe. I think those of us in the US should just wait and see what happens in Europe. If Europe turns Islamist and turns into a hellhole like the Middle East we can crush Islam over here to prevent it from crossing the pond.

Halal Forced on British

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37% of 16 to 24-year-olds said they would prefer sharia law,
Nearly a third of 16 to 24-year-olds believed that those converting to another religion should be executed,
The Guardian
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UK Muslim Ticking Time Bomb

[MindForgedManacle]

JiggerJ,

You are calling religion a 'cancer', but you're demonstrating one of the problems of selectively taking a small sample of the behaivor of a billion+ member ideology and assuming its universal applicability towards accurately describing the entire group. Well then, every group ever is a cancer on society.

Radical femimists? Well, all feminists are a cancer then. Gun nuts? Guess all gun owners are batshit crazy. White supremacists? Damn whiteys!


Further, trying to censor a religion like this (assuming the report is accurate; I haven't checked that earlier Reuters link yet) is exactly the kind of thing that pisses a lot of us off about the role of religion in parts of history. Why would you support the very kind of measures used against religion that you would lambast if it were used by the religious?