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[Mark Fulton]

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[Confused Ape]

[Mark Fulton]

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The citation for that Wiki quote goes back to some German-Russian theologian - of course - in 1914, Ape. I do recall something in which it was noted that Justyn equated something in gluke with Paul - but the problem there is that gluke was the other part of Marcion's canon to begin with.

Wheels within wheels with this stuff.

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I think that highly unlikely, as it would take a literary genius to invent Paul’s character.

How much of a genius do you have to be to invent Luke Skywalker, Kermit the Frog, or Fanny Hill? Someone invented "jesus" too, replete with mom the virgin, dad the cuckold and a hell of an ending.

"Paul" plays the same role as mohammed later did for the Caliphs. His job was to bring the good news to the arabs. Coincidentally - or not - the message was always the same. STFU and do what you are told.

All religions have that in common!

[Mark Fulton]

The citation for that Wiki quote goes back to some German-Russian theologian - of course - in 1914, Ape. I do recall something in which it was noted that Justyn equated something in gluke with Paul - but the problem there is that gluke was the other part of Marcion's canon to begin with.

Wheels within wheels with this stuff.

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I think that highly unlikely, as it would take a literary genius to invent Paul’s character.

How much of a genius do you have to be to invent Luke Skywalker, Kermit the Frog, or Fanny Hill? Someone invented "jesus" too, replete with mom the virgin, dad the cuckold and a hell of an ending.

"Paul" plays the same role as mohammed later did for the Caliphs. His job was to bring the good news to the arabs. Coincidentally - or not - the message was always the same. STFU and do what you are told.

All religions have that in common!

Mmmmmm.

So do you think Marcion, or someone else, invented "Paul?"

I doubt it. Paul was irritable, anxious and inconsistent, and "full of shit." If he'd been an invention, he would have been "smoother" and more consistent. I doubt he would have been portrayed as at odds with the Nazarenes.

Paul's writings (as a whole) (the ones said to be his, anyway) strike me as "real" as in his quirks and personality shines out of them. I'm sure, however, they've been chopped and changed and interpolated.

But...who knows?

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The citation for that Wiki quote goes back to some German-Russian theologian - of course - in 1914, Ape. I do recall something in which it was noted that Justyn equated something in gluke with Paul - but the problem there is that gluke was the other part of Marcion's canon to begin with.

Wheels within wheels with this stuff.

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I think that highly unlikely, as it would take a literary genius to invent Paul’s character.

How much of a genius do you have to be to invent Luke Skywalker, Kermit the Frog, or Fanny Hill? Someone invented "jesus" too, replete with mom the virgin, dad the cuckold and a hell of an ending.

"Paul" plays the same role as mohammed later did for the Caliphs. His job was to bring the good news to the arabs. Coincidentally - or not - the message was always the same. STFU and do what you are told.

All religions have that in common!

Re ""Paul" plays the same role as mohammed later did for the Caliphs. His job was to bring the good news to the arabs. Coincidentally - or not - the message was always the same. STFU and do what you are told.

All religions have that in common! "

Absolutely agreed.

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Paul was irritable, anxious and inconsistent, and "full of shit." If he'd been an invention, he would have been "smoother" and more consistent. I doubt he would have been portrayed as at odds with the Nazarenes.

Assuming that the "paul" of Marcion was identical to the "paul" which emerged after his makeover by the proto-orthodox...to borrow Ehrman's title for them. We also have the "paul" of Acts which I guess we can dismiss as a figment of someone's imagination.

But, I don't know why any literary figure has to be "white bread." A few warts make him more interesting. Certainly Yahweh is a bloody old bastard. Talk about warts!

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Wheels within wheels with this stuff.

I've spent many a happy hour following up leads on Jesus Never Existed Com. There was so much stuff written and rewritten to suit various agendas that it's impossible to tell what it started out as. We'll never know because the originals, along with any other works which conflicted with these different factions' agendas, mysteriously disappeared.

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There is an assumption there that it started out "written" at all. These were largely pre-literate societies. Only a relative handful could read or write. The most likely genesis is that these began as stories, 'tall tales' if you would which were eventually written down. Who knows what they were originally.