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If Atheism Is A Religion.....
#21
RE: If Atheism Is A Religion.....
What? Dragons don't exist either? Oh shit! I was banking on them for my explanation of the universe.

First came the dragons, and that took fucking ages to clean up.
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#22
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(October 7, 2013 at 12:08 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:
(October 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm)Zazzy Wrote: It really irritates me when theists try to tell me what I think.
I knew you were thinking that.
The holy spirit told me so.
What am I thinking now?
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#23
RE: If Atheism Is A Religion.....
(October 7, 2013 at 12:09 pm)Zazzy Wrote:
(October 7, 2013 at 12:08 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I knew you were thinking that.
The holy spirit told me so.
What am I thinking now?
Lalala I stopped listening.
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#24
RE: If Atheism Is A Religion.....
(October 7, 2013 at 12:08 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:
Quote:It is not unreasonable to think think that things not proven to exist do not exist.

You can "prove it" within yourself you can't "prove it with science" you're presupposing that God is something that God can be demonstrated that way but that was never the idea.

Prove it... within myself... a being that cannot be proven with science...

Nah, not gonna waste my time thanks.
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#25
RE: If Atheism Is A Religion.....
(October 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm)Zazzy Wrote: How did I "presuppose" this as a young child? Gods were simply absent from my upbringing- my parents didn't discuss them. Once I learned about them, they felt about as compelling to believe in as the dragons in Arthurian legends.

You would do right to think that there is only one God and he was not created. There may well be beings that would seem like immortal gods to us aren't like pagan deities who are to be worshiped they would all be creations of the same God just as we are.

Quote:It really irritates me when theists try to tell me what I think.

They can explain that atheism is an assumption that pre-supposes materialism and scientific naturalism. If you're not doing this I would say you're not really an atheist.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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#26
RE: If Atheism Is A Religion.....
(October 7, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(October 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm)Zazzy Wrote: How did I "presuppose" this as a young child? Gods were simply absent from my upbringing- my parents didn't discuss them. Once I learned about them, they felt about as compelling to believe in as the dragons in Arthurian legends.

You would do right to think that there is only one God and he was not created. There may well be beings that would seem like immortal gods to us aren't like pagan deities who are to be worshiped they would all be creations of the same God just as we are.

Quote:It really irritates me when theists try to tell me what I think.

They can explain that atheism is an assumption that pre-supposes materialism and scientific naturalism. If you're not doing this I would say you're not really an atheist.

And I would say you really haven't understood atheism.
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RE: If Atheism Is A Religion.....
(October 7, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(October 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm)Zazzy Wrote: How did I "presuppose" this as a young child? Gods were simply absent from my upbringing- my parents didn't discuss them. Once I learned about them, they felt about as compelling to believe in as the dragons in Arthurian legends.

You would do right to think that there is only one God and he was not created. There may well be beings that would seem like immortal gods to us aren't like pagan deities who are to be worshiped they would all be creations of the same God just as we are.
How does this address what I said to you, other than telling me what to think again? I didn't know about gods as a child. I could not make any judgments at all because I had never heard of them. That made me an atheist, because I was without god-belief, which is the exact meaning of the word "atheist."

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Quote:It really irritates me when theists try to tell me what I think.

They can explain that atheism is an assumption that pre-supposes materialism and scientific naturalism. If you're not doing this I would say you're not really an atheist.
And here you go again telling what I am and am not. That's a nasty habit you have. If you want to converse with people here you're going to have to check that- or are you just here to try to annoy a group of people you have an uneducated prejudice against?
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#28
RE: If Atheism Is A Religion.....
(October 7, 2013 at 12:13 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: Prove it... within myself... a being that cannot be proven with science...

Nah, not gonna waste my time thanks.

You can at least make an effort surely?

(October 7, 2013 at 12:24 pm)max-greece Wrote: And I would say you really haven't understood atheism.

A lack of belief would be some kind of agnosticism at best but you wouldn't be on here you be genuinely confused and baffled.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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#29
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SOC, how is atheism a presupposition? Please explain. I'd like to know why.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#30
RE: If Atheism Is A Religion.....
(October 7, 2013 at 12:08 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: You can "prove it" within yourself you can't "prove it with science" you're presupposing that God is something that God can be demonstrated that way but that is a mistaken assumption. You can only demonstrate the existence of physical objects and energy through that method and God is neither.

But there is no shortage of gods, demons, and fairy-tale creatures that have been "proved" through that method. All you need is to be crazy and/or hallucinating. BAM! God exists!
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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