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Is this a real "miracle"?
October 7, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Hello, I am new here and wanted to ask you all something! I am very interested in your thougts about this kind of "miracle" or at least that is what they claim for it to be.<Link Removed> Please before you start shouting I am a troll: I am NOT! I just wanted to know your opinions about this. I am familiar with these "miracles" and I know that most of them are either false, rubbish oder made up. But this one confuses me a bit because I really wonder why the author of the quran said that the the "forelock" of the man is lying and sinful - that just doesn't make sense! I would hate that to be "really some sort of mysterious """"miracle""" and I wouldn't understand it why this god tells stuff like this but says at the same time that the sun orbits the earth. Besides I would just hate "Islam" to be true because I think it is absolutely inhuman and horrible! So what do you think about this story? Can you help me?
Thanks for your thoughts!
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RE: Is this a real "miracle"?
October 7, 2013 at 12:26 pm
People have been banging their heads for years. I am sure whoever wrote the text merely made the observation and lucked out.
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RE: Is this a real "miracle"?
October 7, 2013 at 12:51 pm
No claims of miracles have ever been found to be truly miraculous. And I don't give a shit about what someone wrote in the Koran.
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RE: Is this a real "miracle"?
October 13, 2013 at 4:03 pm
People are so easily impressed with miracles. Someone is pulled alive from a fiery car wreck and some asshole says "it's a miracle."
Yeah - he's burned over 95% of his body and looks like a cross between a charcoal briquet and Mr. Potato Head but its a "miracle."
A miracle would be to have a car totally engulfed in flames and not suffer any burns at all.
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RE: Is this a real "miracle"?
October 13, 2013 at 5:11 pm
*sigh* Hume settled this 'miracle' nonsense well over two hundred years ago. For those theists who are unaware, I'll recap.
Suppose Joe reports a miracle. We have several options to consider before we can decide whether to accept that a miracle did, in fact, occur.
1. Joe is lying.
2. Joe is reporting something he heard (see the OP) and did not witness the miracle himself.
3. Joe is an ignorant boob and couldn't tell a natural phenomenon from a miracle if they both crawled up his arse and died there.
4. Joe's report of a miracle conflicts with other reports of other miracles, and other reports conflict with Joe's. The lessens the likelihood of ANY miracle being true.
5. A miracle actually DID occur.
Laying out these (and other) possible scenarios, we need to ask, which is the LEAST likely explanation? In all ranking of probabilities, #5 comes dead last, every time.
Mind, Hume did not a priori deny the possibility of miracles, but his argument renders their likelihood so low as to not merit serious consideration.
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‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Is this a real "miracle"?
October 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Quote:I'll go with number three, because it's the funniest one
My own wording. Hume phrased it more politely, essentially saying that miracle stories tend to originate in barbarous times and among ignorant people. Civilized, educated people are less likely to report miracles, since they are less likely to be overawed by natural events.
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‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
