The Jesus Itinerary

[DeistPaladin]

You have read into the story it was Joseph's house, your supposition has no support from the story.

Aside from the fact that it's the logical conclusion barring any evidence in the story to the contrary, there's also the description of his forced relocation to Nazareth to avoid Herod's son (2:22). The narrative description in 2:23 of how he came to dwell in Nazareth is also consistent with the idea that he was coming to live there for the first time, not returning to his old home town. That's how I read it and I have three good reasons to do so.

[Minimalist]

Look at the book of revelation as an example. That book was written to the generation who would endure the last 7 years of man's reign on earth. Evidently because we are not there little of it makes sense.

I have an alternate theory why little of it makes sense.

It was supposedly penned by John of Patmos. Patmos is an island that was know for hallucinogenic mushrooms...

Revelation seems to be a jewish apocalyptic screed written as the Romans were closing in on Jerusalem as the Great Revolt came to its end. It was later edited into xtian bullshit.

[Drich]

Look at the book of revelation as an example. That book was written to the generation who would endure the last 7 years of man's reign on earth. Evidently because we are not there little of it makes sense.

I have an alternate theory why little of it makes sense.

It was supposedly penned by John of Patmos. Patmos is an island that was know for hallucinogenic mushrooms...

What does any of that have to do with what is being discussed?

[John V]

Aside from the fact that it's the logical conclusion barring any evidence in the story to the contrary, there's also the description of his forced relocation to Nazareth to avoid Herod's son (2:22). The narrative description in 2:23 of how he came to dwell in Nazareth is also consistent with the idea that he was coming to live there for the first time, not returning to his old home town. That's how I read it and I have three good reasons to do so.

There are simple solutions to these. That you disparage them as fan-fic is your choice, but many reasonable people understand that the gospels do not claim to be exhaustive accounts.

[Godscreated]

"why would it be so important for the time line be perfect, that has nothing to do with the message given to mankind."

Why would Mary's virginity be important, that has nothing to do with the message given to mankind.

You're not serious, right. The fulfillment of prophecy is extremely important to the entire plan of God, surely you can see this. With Jesus being the only man ever born to a virgin it's quite important to the life of Jesus.

Why would who is father and mother were be important, that has nothing to do with the message given to mankind.

It's the start to the promise that Jesus would come from the line of king David, again prophecy fulfilled, is relevant to the story, how did you miss that.

Why would any geographical information or place names be important, that has nothing to do with the message given to mankind.

Again you are over looking prophecy and I'll say it again, fulfilled prophecy is important to God's plan. God's plan is the message.

Why would the names of the disciples be important, that has nothing to do with the message given to mankind.

They were the one's to proceed with the message and wouldn't you think knowing who they were including their names would be important. It sure bets Jesus saying, hey you or listen to what I have to say bubba, names are better.

Why would Jesus' age be important, that has nothing to do with the message given to mankind.

The age was important, at twelve it established that Jesus was extremely intelligent. At age 30 it established his priesthood. At age 33 He was crucified and resurrected. This means a ministry of three years, and How was it possible that that short a following became what it is today, 2000 years later. No other religion was established with it's leader teaching for only three years.

How long a list do you want? You can argue any element of the story is irrelevant but I think it should be of concern when specific statements are shown to be in error. It immediately raises the question - what else is wrong other than the chronology? What "facts" are being invented?....

I wasn't saying the argument of chronology was relevant or irrelevant, I'm saying it doesn't change the story of Christ. Not writing in a chronological order is no error, why would you believe it would be. Since chronology is not a problem, even though you have talked yourself into believing so, I see no reason to believe anything in the NT is not true.

Bit of a slippery slope if you ask me.

A slippery slope for you maybe, I'm standing on the solid foundation of Christ.

GC

[Cinjin]

Its not really relevant to your timeline but I wonder did you keep track of how many times Jesus had to take a break? I recall when reading Mark it seemed to be after each and every activity he needed to rest.

Never come across a less active Messiah. Lazy Jesus!

I actually started a mock club called the Church of Lazy Jesus based on this exact premise.

[Godscreated]

You have read into the story it was Joseph's house, your supposition has no support from the story.

Aside from the fact that it's the logical conclusion barring any evidence in the story to the contrary, there's also the description of his forced relocation to Nazareth to avoid Herod's son (2:22). The narrative description in 2:23 of how he came to dwell in Nazareth is also consistent with the idea that he was coming to live there for the first time, not returning to his old home town. That's how I read it and I have three good reasons to do so.

What makes you believe your supposition is logical, please supply some facts from scripture that would lead you to such a conclusion. Remember no one believes either of the birth stories are complete in detail, so combining the two offers help in determining what happened, history is determined by this very method all the time, so what makes it less valuable in this short story of Christ's birth.

GC

[DeistPaladin]

There are simple solutions to these.

More or less, depending on your definition of "simple". I have stated three very good reasons to conclude it's exactly what it looks like. You have offered a counter along the lines of "I'm sure there's a really good explanation for it." That's when the fan fic-ing begins.

[John V]

More or less, depending on your definition of "simple". I have stated three very good reasons to conclude it's exactly what it looks like. You have offered a counter along the lines of "I'm sure there's a really good explanation for it." That's when the fan fic-ing begins.

Yes, we get it. When you propose an addition to the text, it's a logical conclusion. When we do the same, it's fan-fic.

[max-greece]

Gotta say if there is one thing I love about Godschild's posts its that he always signs them GC and I think immediately of.....

George Carlin.

OK George he ain't - but it does make me giggle.