I believe 9/11 was an inside job now

[FallentoReason]

I've read the article you linked Min in closer detail. There's some things that aren't adding up to me:


The AE911Truth team stated that it was the American Society of Civil Engineers themselves that violated the usual procedure of investigating a collapsed building. If this is true, then it puts the post-research they did into question.

Do they have evidence that they violated procedure and if so what type of procedure are we talking about? Violating protocol doesn't necessarily mean that the results have to be forfeited, sometimes exceptions have to be made and I'll assume WTC was a special case when it comes to investigation.

The video shows what procedures they violated. From memory, it was to do with the unprofessional treatment of the rubble, which is usually inspected.

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Ok, I haven't watched your video or followed any other link posted here, but may I just point out one thing?

Let's say for the sake of argument (a ludicrous one, but still) that somehow it was a conspiracy, an inside job. Don't you suppose, with all the planning, care, secrecy, skill and general .007-ness employed to get the job done, they would have named the right "villain?"

I mean, presuming the whole thing was done as a pretext to go to war with Iraq, don't you imagine they would have named Saddam Hussein as the author of the act -- and not Osama bin Laden? Because... they sure had to work hard to shift the focus from bin Laden to Hussein in the run up to the war. Frankly, I was shocked they pulled THAT off.

Just an observation.

I wouldn't even know.. like I implicitly said in the OP, I'm just treating this as an isolated event with the primary focus being on how exactly the buildings came down.

[Minimalist]

Conspiracy theories are always pushed by some writer with a book who wants to sell books...works a lot like religion.

When I actually get into it I always ask the truther crowd why, if this conspiracy is so clever and well-executed, are these "writers" around printing books about it? Why aren't they floating face down in the East River with a bullet hole behind their ear?

I never get much of an answer to that one.

There was a video of that report and the truther gang sat there and always said that the tests were invalid and the official report was flawed, etc. but they never produce any actual evidence of their own.

They are con men selling a scam. Lucrative I'm sure because there are a lot of people who would blame Bush for anything. No one despises that miserable cocksucker more than me and I have no doubt that he took full advantage of this to start his wars and pump money into no-bid contracts for his corporate whore pals. 9-11 was like fucking christmas morning to those bastards. But, as Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden have shown, it is almost impossible to keep something secret....especially something this big.

[FallentoReason]

Conspiracy theories are always pushed by some writer with a book who wants to sell books...

The video I posted is actually 1.5 hrs long and can be purchased from this organisation of 1 500+ engineers & architects

[Something completely different]

This guy here debunked every 9/11 conspiracy in his videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmIjDfpTeMc

[Rayaan]

I am not entirely sure whether 9/11 was a false flag or not, but I think that more likely it was.

It's not just because of how the buildings burned or fell down to the ground. There are lots of strange coincidences behind the tragedy which occurred before and after the event, and they suggest that the whole scheme was more likely to be organized by the American government itself instead of being a work some terrorists only, or that they secretly aided the terrorists after learning about their plans.

At the very least, the US government knew about a potential attack because CIA documents prove that security officials were repeatedly warned about a terrorist attack months before September 11.

This was also exposed by the CIA whistle blower Susan Lindauer who, in the following video (starting from around 00:33:05), admitted that the government knew about the attack at least months before the day of the actual event, and that they had a "long-term event's knowledge." And shortly after saying that, she says that Mohammed Atta and the other terrorists behind the 9/11 were actually CIA assets of the US government. They were trained by the CIA and supervised by the CIA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43zl4fzDQg


It is also very much possible that those people who say "But how can the US government be so viscous and corrupt as to EVER do such a thing?" are wrong because ...

Governments From Around the World ADMIT That They Carry Out False Flag Terror

[Rayaan]

Another interesting thing is that there were many mock hijacking drills or exercises conducted by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) which started two years before the September 11 attacks ... and on the very morning of September 11, there were about 25 of those hijacking drills. Do you think that is a coincidence?

NORAD had drills of jets as weapons

WASHINGTON — In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.

One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center. In another exercise, jets performed a mock shootdown over the Atlantic Ocean of a jet supposedly laden with chemical poisons headed toward a target in the United States. In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/wash...orad_x.htm

[Something completely different]

At the very least, the US government knew about a potential attack because CIA documents prove that security officials were repeatedly warned about a terrorist attack months before September 11.

This was also exposed by the CIA whistle blower Susan Lindauer who, in the following video (starting from around 00:33:05), admitted that the government knew about the attack at least months before the day of the actual event, and that they had a "long-term event's knowledge." And shortly after saying that, she says that Mohammed Atta and the other terrorists behind the 9/11 were actually CIA assets of the US government. They were trained by the CIA and supervised by the CIA.

And the first reaction from you is to scream conspiracy?


This was simply a failure by the administration to grasp the potential threat.
It is well known that pre 9/11 people at various agencies investigating potential terror threats were frustrated about the lack of taking potential threats serious.
This has nothing to do with a conspiracy, but with the failures of an administration to take a threat serious.

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Another interesting thing is that there were many mock hijacking drills or exercises conducted by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) which started two years before the September 11 attacks ... and on the very morning of September 11, there were about 25 of those hijacking drills. Do you think that is a coincidence?

No.

Such drills are constantly conducted. Just a few months before the London bomings, English authorities conducted training excercises on potential suicide bomings in London. Training is a substancial part of any police or special service agency. In fact, the behavioral pettern which would actualy make me suspicious about a potential conspiracy would be if those agencies would not be doing any training at all, since in that case they would not be prepared for the attack. Which leads to the point that training for a highjacking wouldnt fit into a consopiracy since then the forces would be prepared.
Such exercises constantly take place and when they overlap with real events that is merely a coincidence.

Other than that:

which started two years before the September 11 attacks

How close to an actual attack does such a training exercise have to be to prove somekind of conspiracy?????

[Captain Colostomy]

I can't be arsed to watch video about this, but I'd like to know why molten metal under the rubble is suspicious. A collapsing high rise doesn't fall and settle like a gentle dropped stack of pancakes. Also, 'a hot knife through butter' can explain much. Another thing I find odd is how explosives could be set, unnoticed and in the ideal location(s), to ensure collapse. Did the WTC buildings have interstitial decks?(Maintenance access inbetween individual 'stories'?) Meh. The simplest answer is still the best...jets.

[Rayaan]

When I actually get into it I always ask the truther crowd why, if this conspiracy is so clever and well-executed, are these "writers" around printing books about it? Why aren't they floating face down in the East River with a bullet hole behind their ear?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMiZm0Svak0


Video description:

"An analyst says Phillip Marshall was killed to suppress surprising information he was about to release in a new book that would embarrass the official 9/11 storyline."

[Rayaan]

And the first reaction from you is to scream conspiracy?

Yes, after analyzing the details that I presented here.

Such drills are constantly conducted. Just a few months before the London bomings, English authorities conducted training excercises on potential suicide bomings in London. Training is a substancial part of any police or special service agency. In fact, the behavioral pettern which would actualy make me suspicious about a potential conspiracy would be if those agencies would not be doing any training at all, since in that case they would not be prepared for the attack. Which leads to the point that training for a highjacking wouldnt fit into a consopiracy since then the forces would be prepared.
Such exercises constantly take place and when they overlap with real events that is merely a coincidence.

And if the forces were prepared, then that gives more support to the possibility that they knew or anticipated an attack of a similar style. Otherwise, why would they be preparing for something like this especially at a time so close to the 9/11? Yeah, maybe it was just a coincidence as you said, but that seems more unlikely to me.

However, I will have to do some more research to find out how frequently the NORAD hijacking drills were being conducted and when they started.

So I cannot respond to your other comments right now.