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[WinterHold]

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته’ شيد.


No problem.

Apology accepted; it's your opinion.
If I'm quoting Quranic verses, you're typing Sunni propaganda.
In my previous comments are my response to you.

Cheers,

[Sheed1980]

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته’ شيد.


No problem.

Apology accepted; it's your opinion.
If I'm quoting Quranic verses, you're typing Sunni propaganda.
In my previous comments are my response to you.

Cheers,

May Allah bless us both with Jannatul Firdaus in Akhirah. Insha'Allah we can discuss it more over a delicious meal and non-intoxicating wine. Btw I like the Arabic scripture u used to respond. Where did u get that text from?

[WinterHold]

May Allah bless us both with Jannatul Firdaus in Akhirah. Insha'Allah we can discuss it more over a delicious meal and non-intoxicating wine. Btw I like the Arabic scripture u used to respond. Where did u get that text from?

Please, stop wasting your time (and my time) and reply to this comment which has my argument:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-2158-pos...pid1326202

Please, stop making jumps worthy of the Olympics around what I wrote.

Cheers.

[WinterHold]

He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis..”
روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hassan or al Husein
رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart and kissed his (little) penis

Another Hadith. Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, 299/9 مجمع الزوائد لعلي بن أبى بكر الهيثمي

رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
رواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
translated into English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart and kissing his (little) penis.”
Related by Al-Tabarani and it’s authentication is fully validated by Islamic scholars.

[Sheed1980]

May Allah bless us both with Jannatul Firdaus in Akhirah. Insha'Allah we can discuss it more over a delicious meal and non-intoxicating wine. Btw I like the Arabic scripture u used to respond. Where did u get that text from?

Please, stop wasting your time (and my time) and reply to this comment which has my argument:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-2158-pos...pid1326202

Please, stop making jumps worthy of the Olympics around what I wrote.

Cheers.

I was just being kind and friendly to a fellow Mu'min. But if u feel I'm wasting ur time I won't continue. But from u not accepting my kind remarks towards u, I promise u I won't lose any sleep. But let me ask u this how do u know what the Prophet Muhammad saws said for sure or didn't say for sure? The Hadith is how he applied the law of the Qur'an to his own lifestyle with the guidance of Allah. So I see where ur argument is "How do we know it is truly what the Prophet saws said or did" but my argument is "How do we know he didn't truly say or do these things". So once again we must believe and follow what is in our own hearts as true and we can't judge one another as right or wrong that's what Allah The Wise will do.

[WinterHold]

I was just being kind and friendly to a fellow Mu'min. But if u feel I'm wasting ur time I won't continue. But from u not accepting my kind remarks towards u, I promise u I won't lose any sleep. But let me ask u this how do u know what the Prophet Muhammad saws said for sure or didn't say for sure? The Hadith is how he applied the law of the Qur'an to his own lifestyle with the guidance of Allah. So I see where ur argument is "How do we know it is truly what the Prophet saws said or did" but my argument is "How do we know he didn't truly say or do these things". So once again we must believe and follow what is in our own hearts as true and we can't judge one another as right or wrong that's what Allah The Wise will do.

No, that's not my argument.

This is my argument:

I said:

Atlas said:
Is anything Mohammed said, was considered a revelation from heaven?

When you, said:

Sheed said:
What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.

So you're saying: every tine bit of thing Mohammed said, is a revelation. Thus; any narrative (that claims quoting him) is, also, a revelation.
In other words: if Mohammed said (I want to go to the toilet; excuse me), that's a revelation from God???

Or let's have an official example.
Why was Mohammed criticized in the Quran in two places if everything he did was a revelation?

( Sura 33 Verse 37 )   And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished.

And the second location:

Sura 80
 1 )   [The Prophet] frowned and turned away
( 2 )   Because there came to him the blind man, [interrupting].
( 3 )   But what would make you perceive, [O Muhammad], that perhaps he might be purified
( 4 )   Or be reminded and the remembrance would benefit him?
( 5 )   As for he who thinks himself without need,
( 6 )   To him you give attention.
( 7 )   And not upon you [is any blame] if he will not be purified.
( 8 )   But as for he who came to you striving [for knowledge]
( 9 )   While he fears [Allah],
( 10 )   From him you are distracted.
( 11 )   No! Indeed, these verses are a reminder;

So much for Mr right; eh ? Mohammed is a human; sheed. He makes mistakes just like everybody else.
Read your own Quran:

Sura 17
( 73 )   And indeed, they were about to tempt you away from that which We revealed to you in order to [make] you invent about Us something else; and then they would have taken you as a friend.

( 74 )   And if We had not strengthened you, you would have almost inclined to them a little.
( 75 )   Then [if you had], We would have made you taste double [punishment in] life and double [after] death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper.


So should I believe you, sheed (along with the Sunni beards wiping the toilets of Satan), or should I believe the Quran?
Then, are you saying that God revealed a book other than the Quran, and Bukhari was his author? 

Did I miss anything, is Bukhari the messiah or something; or the new prophet of the religion of my father, Abraham?

May the prayers of God be on Mohammed; the HUMAN, who CHOSE.

[Sheed1980]

I was just being kind and friendly to a fellow Mu'min. But if u feel I'm wasting ur time I won't continue. But from u not accepting my kind remarks towards u, I promise u I won't lose any sleep. But let me ask u this how do u know what the Prophet Muhammad saws said for sure or didn't say for sure? The Hadith is how he applied the law of the Qur'an to his own lifestyle with the guidance of Allah. So I see where ur argument is "How do we know it is truly what the Prophet saws said or did" but my argument is "How do we know he didn't truly say or do these things". So once again we must believe and follow what is in our own hearts as true and we can't judge one another as right or wrong that's what Allah The Wise will do.

No, that's not my argument.

This is my argument:

I said:

Atlas said:
Is anything Mohammed said, was considered a revelation from heaven?

When you, said:

Sheed said:
What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.

So you're saying: every tine bit of thing Mohammed said, is a revelation. Thus; any narrative (that claims quoting him) is, also, a revelation.
In other words: if Mohammed said (I want to go to the toilet; excuse me), that's a revelation from God???

Or let's have an official example.
Why was Mohammed criticized in the Quran in two places if everything he did was a revelation?

( Sura 33 Verse 37 )   And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished.

And the second location:

Sura 80
 1 )   [The Prophet] frowned and turned away
( 2 )   Because there came to him the blind man, [interrupting].
( 3 )   But what would make you perceive, [O Muhammad], that perhaps he might be purified
( 4 )   Or be reminded and the remembrance would benefit him?
( 5 )   As for he who thinks himself without need,
( 6 )   To him you give attention.
( 7 )   And not upon you [is any blame] if he will not be purified.
( 8 )   But as for he who came to you striving [for knowledge]
( 9 )   While he fears [Allah],
( 10 )   From him you are distracted.
( 11 )   No! Indeed, these verses are a reminder;

So much for Mr right; eh ? Mohammed is a human; sheed. He makes mistakes just like everybody else.
Read your own Quran:

Sura 17
( 73 )   And indeed, they were about to tempt you away from that which We revealed to you in order to [make] you invent about Us something else; and then they would have taken you as a friend.

( 74 )   And if We had not strengthened you, you would have almost inclined to them a little.
( 75 )   Then [if you had], We would have made you taste double [punishment in] life and double [after] death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper.


So should I believe you, sheed (along with the Sunni beards wiping the toilets of Satan), or should I believe the Quran?
Then, are you saying that God revealed a book other than the Quran, and Bukhari was his author? 

Did I miss anything, is Bukhari the messiah or something; or the new prophet of the religion of my father, Abraham?

May the prayers of God be on Mohammed; the HUMAN, who CHOSE.

The way Prophet Muhammad saws told us to live our lives and how he showed us and told us to pray and make du'as and live as Muslims, keeping our bodies clean with istinjaa. Yes, all this was revealed to him from Allah. The way he ate dates to break fast, and the way he used miswak and the benefits of honey. The way he told us the stories of the previous prophets' pbut lives. All of these things he received as knowledge from Allah. Did he make mistakes? Of course he was only a human being. But he was the best example placed by Allah for mankind to follow. So again u have to believe the Qur'an and whatever else u think is right. I can't nor am I worried about making that decision for u. Allah is not going to judge me or anybody else on what u believe and don't believe. So what I believe are sound ahadith from our Prophet Muhammad saws Allah will judge me, on how I interpret them and use them to live my life and likewise He will not hold u or anybody else accountable for my deeds. So we have to follow our hearts and ask Allah to guide us to the truth. But I can't judge u nor any other human nor can u judge me. So yes Allah's peace be on Prophet Muhammad saws and all of us as His righteous servants.

[WinterHold]

The way Prophet Muhammad saws told us to live our lives and how he showed us and told us to pray and make du'as and live as Muslims, keeping our bodies clean with istinjaa. Yes, all this was revealed to him from Allah. The way he ate dates to break fast, and the way he used miswak and the benefits of honey. The way he told us the stories of the previous prophets' pbut lives. All of these things he received as knowledge from Allah. Did he make mistakes? Of course he was only a human being. But he was the best example placed by Allah for mankind to follow. So again u have to believe the Qur'an and whatever else u think is right. I can't nor am I worried about making that decision for u. Allah is not going to judge me or anybody else on what u believe and don't believe. So what I believe are sound ahadith from our Prophet Muhammad saws Allah will judge me, on how I interpret them and use them to live my life and likewise He will not hold u or anybody else accountable for my deeds. So we have to follow our hearts and ask Allah to guide us to the truth. But I can't judge u nor any other human nor can u judge me. So yes Allah's peace be on Prophet Muhammad saws and all of us as His righteous servants.

How does my bold, go with your previous comment:

Sheed said:
What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.

If everything Mohammed did was a revelation -by your own words-, then how did he -also by your own words- did mistakes?
Does God reveal mistakes ?

Why does God exposes Mohammed in Sura 33 ? in my previous comment?
Stop running and face this question; or we have no discussion.

Again:

So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.
===
Did he make mistakes? Of course he was only a human being.

How does the above match?

Moreover:

[b]So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.
===
The ahadith are the way that Prophet Muhammad pbuh applied the laws and knowledge he received from Allah.[/b]

?  I thought you said it was sent by God? The Hadith?

And worse, you're blaming your reasoning that gave birth to the contradiction on God.

And members of AF, this is why I LEFT THE SUNNI FAITH. 
The Shia version of Islam is even worse.

[LastPoet]

[Minimalist]

One thing is certain.  The Middle East has plenty of flies.