The Fly

[Last_ Ray]

the Fly is dirty insect and a causative for many diseases but it is not dirty as some humans minds ,

Prophet Mohammed says "If a fly falls into one of your containers [of food or drink], immerse it completely (falyaghmis-hu kullahu) before removing it, for under one of its wings there is venom and under another there is its antidote. "

a research calls for a new antibody from the fly antidote here is research titled "The new buzz on antibiotics" . read this study:The surface of flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet that is exactly where a team of Australian researchers is concentrating their efforts Working on the theory that flies must have remarkable antimicrobial defenses to survive rotting dung, meat and fruit, the team at the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, set out to identify those antibacterial properties manifesting at different stages of a fly’s development. "Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before,” said Ms Joanne Clarke, who presented the group’s findings at the Australian Society for Microbiology Conference in Melbourne . The project is part of her PhD thesis. The scientists tested four different species of fly: a house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a Queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria. Flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "We predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said Ms Clarke. They did not. However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control). As did all the adult fly species, including the Queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile). Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke. "The reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction.”The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract . When this was placed in a solution with various bacteria including E.coli, Golden Staph, Candida (a yeast) and a common hospital pathogen, antibiotic action was observed every time. "We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds," said Ms Clarke. Ultimately these will be chemically synthesised.

Because the compounds are not from bacteria, any genes conferring resistance to them may not be as easily transferred into pathogens. It is hoped this new form of antibiotics will have a longer effective therapeutic life.


The fly carries a disease and the cure on both its wings: Mentioned in Islam and confirmed by Science (Bacteriophages)

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2...689400.htm

who told prophet Mohammad before 1400 years about the fly .

as long as our miracle about the fly … an extra challenge : (( O men! Here is a parable set forth! Listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! And if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to realise it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition! [74] No just estimate have they made of Allah: for Allah is He Who is strong and able to carry out His Will. ))

at the verse another modern scientific fact , are you able to find it ?

[Darwinian]

So it turns out that the fly has a natural resistance to many diseases. Why is this surprising?

It certainly doesn't contain poison under one wing and the antidote to that poison under the other. Nor can antibiotics combat any of the possible viral infections that the fly may transmit.

You seem to be arguing that this recent discovery was mentioned in the Qu'ran 1400 years before science discovered it but in reality there is no link at all except a very vague coincidence in the mentioning of a fly.

What the Qu'ran is saying is that the fly contains a cure for the very infections that it carries and by mixing the two together in your drink they will cancel each other out. This is a) absolute nonsense and b) not at all what has recently been discovered.

Wishful thinking on your part I'm afraid.

Next?

[AtheistPhil]

You seem to be arguing that this recent discovery was mentioned in the Qu'ran 1400 years before science discovered it but in reality there is no link at all except a very vague coincidence in the mentioning of a fly.

And if it was mentionned in the Qu'ran why did no muslim scientist actually do the research and use this information to develop cures for diseases ? Why did muslims had to wait for non-muslim scientists to discover this before telling us "Haha! It was mentionned in the Qu'ran !". This is exactly the same pattern for every so called scientific facts in the Qu'ran (except for facts that were already known 1400 years ago).

[AngelaRachnid]

The bit in the Qaran which talks about the 72 virgins can also be translated as 72 white raisins. Correct?

With this in mind My first question would be "what are the other possible translations?

Ever heard of a guy called Nostradamus?

The majority of what he wrote was also bollox but every now and again with a little bit of tweaking (or another translation) can be made to sound like it was predicted.

So it can also be translated as?

A

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........Ms Joanne Clarke, who presented the group’s findings at the Australian Society for Microbiology Conference in Melbourne . The project is part of her PhD thesis. The scientists tested four different species of fly: a house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a Queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria. Flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "We predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said Ms Clarke. They did not. However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control). As did all the adult fly species, including the Queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile). Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke. "The reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction.”The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract . When this was placed in a solution with various bacteria including E.coli, Golden Staph, Candida (a yeast) and a common hospital pathogen, antibiotic action was observed every time. "We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds," said Ms Clarke. Ultimately these will be chemically synthesised.

You must be very unhappy with this? a western WOMAN working in a LABORATORY has proven something from the Qaran........................will you now allow muslim women to work in laboratories?

http://atheistforums.org/thread-2153-page-1.html

Your fucking words hypocrite

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[Tiberius]

That is actually quite funny. According to Last_Ray, women who work in laboratories are under the constant gazes of men, such that they can't function properly.

How can you trust the results of this woman? She's obvious;y screwed up somewhere since she can't handle the stares that men give her. Either that or your attitude towards women is just WRONG!

[Last_ Ray]

So it turns out that the fly has a natural resistance to many diseases. Why is this surprising?

It certainly doesn't contain poison under one wing and the antidote to that poison under the other. Nor can antibiotics combat any of the possible viral infections that the fly may transmit.

You seem to be arguing that this recent discovery was mentioned in the Qu'ran 1400 years before science discovered it but in reality there is no link at all except a very vague coincidence in the mentioning of a fly.
What the Qu'ran is saying is that the fly contains a cure for the very infections that it carries and by mixing the two together in your drink they will cancel each other out. This is a) absolute nonsense and b) not at all what has recently been discovered.

Wishful thinking on your part I'm afraid.

Next?

and the univrse also is another a very vague coincidence !!!! what a wonderful logic .

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from silliest imaginations , to the most realest facts

a wonderful journey , at night we traveled and after 1 hour my daughters and son also my lovely wife all of them slept , so my imagination led me down in vales then up upon mountains .until I found myself beside my intelligent atheist friend and we are watching the film " Toy Story " by Pixar production company .

Truly we enjoyed watching the film , every thing is great , [ the story , the action ,the comedy , ………..] . I am one of the big fans of Woody and Buzz , their friendship was great . when we finished watching .

I said to my friend : I want to meet them ?

He told me : who ?

Then I said : woody and Buzz !!, I wana meet them .

My friend said : but they are not a real persons ,

So I laughed on him : all these stunning movements and body Expressions , then you told me they are not real . you do not know nothing !!!

My friend took a cigarette and start smoking , and he told me I will explain it for you : woody and Buzz are 3d pictures , have been done by 3d software and animations programs . the programmers studied all human body movements and our Expressions , then simulations them on Woody and Buzz .

Stop , stop , stop , I said .

Who are the programmers ?are they something inside the computers ? why……

But my friend cut my questions with a loud laughing , I told him : why you laugh ?
He said : surely you have zero knowledge about computers .
Programmers are a professional persons studied 3d programs and simulations for many years , then they invented those actors [ Woody and Buzz ] . and it is impossible for computer to invent any thing without a wise person behind it , input the data and information to get an output what ever [ image , document , 3d characters , ….. ] .

But the fool person is always a fool : I told him do you want me to believe that those actors have been created by persons . please prove it , if you can ?

Ok , no problem , let us rewind the film to the titles , to read the computer group behind this genius work . and surely he shocked me : when we read the name of 3d supervisor his name is : XYZ .Immediately he said : this person XYZ is the creator of [ Buzz , and Woody ] .

So I told him : I do not believe this person is the inventor , until I see him by my eyes . then he must proves that he is the creator of [ Buzz and Woody ] .

But my friend became anger of me : it is not necessary to see the creator of each inventions . in this world many inventions [ cars , tools , airplanes , …………………… ] we believe that have been created by a wise persons .

The next thing you want to tell me that [ Buzz and Woody ] does not eat or drink , they are not flesh .
Then may friend said : what a stupid person you are !!!! do you think they are real like human who is flesh and inside his body billions cells , also [nervous system , digestive system , respiratory system , …………………. ] , Buzz and Woody are only 3d pictures .
Ok , ok , ok . I want to have the signature of Woody on my shirt .

Then my intelligent atheist friend said : I will never walk with you again , you are an atheist of Sciences , you are unable to believe that [ Woody and Buzz ] 3d pictures have been created by a wise creators . I wasted my time with a stupid person . in trying to prove a very simple logic .

Who is the real fool the atheist or me ?

Also I want to have the signature of Woody on my shirt

((I made them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor their own creation; nor choose I misleaders for (My) helpers. ))

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[Darwinian]

For the Universe to be a coincidence it would have to coincide with something. Unless you are referring to M Theory, which somehow I suspect you are not, your statement makes absolutely no sense at all.

[Edwardo Piet]

lol....................

THAT WOODY AND BUZZ STORY IN THE HIDE TAGS IS HILARIOUS!

How the fuck is that relevant!??!?!?! I mean, I kind of get where you're trying to go with the whole "Needs a designer thing" and "If you cant' imagine it, that doesn't make it not so, that doesn't mean we don't need a designer!" - but what a fucking BULLSHIT STORY!

LMFAO!

EvF

[Rhizomorph13]

Wow,

Worst rendition of the watchmaker argument ever! Although if we are talking about fictional characters I would really like to meet Leloo Multipass!

Rhizo

[Violet]

The story is indeed hilarious ^_^

Your 'atheist friend' is absolutely correct in this instance, Last_ Ray.

The fictional person I would want to meet... would be the genie. I would then steal the lamp, rub it a bit... and have my three wishes