The Fly

[ignoramus]

As long as it's not too lively ... we don't want any ................................................................fireworks!

[WinterHold]

Well my friend. U like most people who don't understand the message just misinterpreted my words on the page u responded to. I never said Allah says the fly has its disease and cure on its wings is IN THE QUR'AN. This is a Hadith ur right about that. What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration. So how did the Prophet pbuh know that flies had diseases and cures for those diseases on their wings? The reason he knew is because Allah, The Creator of the fly to have the diseases and cures inspired him to know. The Qur'an having the many different miracles in it all came from Allah and His own knowledge and creation. U also have to recognize the Qur'an is the law and the Hadith is the application, or how the Prophet Muhammad pbuh applied the law.

This Hadith u wrote proves my point. Allah sent this inspiration down to the Prophet pbuh to let us know that there is no disease that can't be cured. If there was such a disease then it would be considered an Almighty being which is also creation of God's. And there is only One Almighty being and that is Allah. So Allah tells us in the LAW (The Qur'an) that He is The Only Almighty being. As u see the Prophet Muhammad pbuh APPLIES THE LAW (The Hadith) by telling us no creation of God's not even a disease can last forever.

I didn't misinterpret anything; sheed. 

Is anything Mohammed said, was considered a revelation from heaven? I think you have a severe problem in understanding what is written, the verse is talking about the Quran (being the revelation); it didn't talk about the volumes of Bukhari. And who said that Mohammed said this anyhow?

You know, that's "Bukhari" who said so; sheed. Not Mohammed.

In other words, you're bringing me a book which was written by a guy from Bukhara, that has a collection of tales (Hadiths) taken from the mouth of people of that time; claiming to quote a man (prophet Mohammed) who died a whole century before the writing process, in medieval Arabia, that witnessed civil wars and inner fights between throne seekers (i.e rumors were so widespread)..You can't be serious when you speak about the authenticity of these texts?

No, the Hadiths are mere tales. Ever saw this Hadith?

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201...mall-boys/

Is this a revelation from God?
Never poison the Quran with this..Please.

Thankfully, 1400 of  forgery didn't work, indeed. Thank God.

[Sheed1980]

Well my friend. U like most people who don't understand the message just misinterpreted my words on the page u responded to. I never said Allah says the fly has its disease and cure on its wings is IN THE QUR'AN. This is a Hadith ur right about that. What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration. So how did the Prophet pbuh know that flies had diseases and cures for those diseases on their wings? The reason he knew is because Allah, The Creator of the fly to have the diseases and cures inspired him to know. The Qur'an having the many different miracles in it all came from Allah and His own knowledge and creation. U also have to recognize the Qur'an is the law and the Hadith is the application, or how the Prophet Muhammad pbuh applied the law.

This Hadith u wrote proves my point. Allah sent this inspiration down to the Prophet pbuh to let us know that there is no disease that can't be cured. If there was such a disease then it would be considered an Almighty being which is also creation of God's. And there is only One Almighty being and that is Allah. So Allah tells us in the LAW (The Qur'an) that He is The Only Almighty being. As u see the Prophet Muhammad pbuh APPLIES THE LAW (The Hadith) by telling us no creation of God's not even a disease can last forever.

I didn't misinterpret anything; sheed. 

Is anything Mohammed said, was considered a revelation from heaven? I think you have a severe problem in understanding what is written, the verse is talking about the Quran (being the revelation); it didn't talk about the volumes of Bukhari. And who said that Mohammed said this anyhow?

You know, that's "Bukhari" who said so; sheed. Not Mohammed.

In other words, you're bringing me a book which was written by a guy from Bukhara, that has a collection of tales (Hadiths) taken from the mouth of people of that time; claiming to quote a man (prophet Mohammed) who died a whole century before the writing process, in medieval Arabia, that witnessed civil wars and inner fights between throne seekers (i.e rumors were so widespread)..You can't be serious when you speak about the authenticity of these texts?

No, the Hadiths are mere tales. Ever saw this Hadith?

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201...mall-boys/

Is this a revelation from God?
Never poison the Quran with this..Please.

Thankfully, 1400 of  forgery didn't work, indeed. Thank God.

Again u misunderstand what I said. I never said the Hadith was the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the word of God Allah alone. The ahadith are the way that Prophet Muhammad pbuh applied the laws and knowledge he received from Allah. But since u for whatever reason say that ALL ahadith are false, who had the knowledge of certain things that were unverifiable by mankind in the time of the Prophet pbuh, which we are able to verify as true with our technology and science today? So I agree with u that there are many so called ahadith that are false or not sound such as the one u gave the link on. But how can u say that none of the ahadith are sound, or in other words the Prophet Muhammad pbuh never said these things? But again don't put words in my mouth stating that I said the Hadith is the Qur'an. The Qur'an is from Allah alone and the ahadith are how the Prophet pbuh applied the Qur'an to his life for mankind to follow.

[Edwardo Piet]

How do you find these threads?! HOOOOOOOW???!!

One day I'll find the FIRST THREAD ever on this forum, and necropost it! But first I'll log onto Youtube to leave a flame comment under "Me at the zoo". Stupid elephants with their trunks, they suck!

Dunno about the first thread for sure, but this one is certainly a candidate as it was created on Tiberius' and Darwinian's join date:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-7.html

[Minimalist]

Fuck allah up the ass.

[WinterHold]

Again u misunderstand what I said. I never said the Hadith was the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the word of God Allah alone. The ahadith are the way that Prophet Muhammad pbuh applied the laws and knowledge he received from Allah. But since u for whatever reason say that ALL ahadith are false, who had the knowledge of certain things that were unverifiable by mankind in the time of the Prophet pbuh, which we are able to verify as true with our technology and science today? So I agree with u that there are many so called ahadith that are false or not sound such as the one u gave the link on. But how can u say that none of the ahadith are sound, or in other words the Prophet Muhammad pbuh never said these things? But again don't put words in my mouth stating that I said the Hadith is the Qur'an. The Qur'an is from Allah alone and the ahadith are how the Prophet pbuh applied the Qur'an to his life for mankind to follow.

No, sheed. What I said literally and exactly, is that:

The Sunni and Shiite versions of Islam, are  narrating "Bukhari & Muslim" to build their "fundamentals", but deny it at the end of the day and claim that it's all in the Quran, which is something you perfectly displayed in your previous comment when you said:

I never said Allah says the fly has its disease and cure on its wings is IN THE QUR'AN. This is a Hadith ur right about that. What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration

So you are technically saying:

"What Bukhari, Muslim & other Hadith authors claimed to be a true quote or action said and practiced by Mohammed, is indeed true, since Surah 53:3-4 said that what Mohammed was "reading" in Mecca & Madina, was nothing but a revelation from God".

Any objections? That's what you said. That's what the Sunni faith also says, so you didn't need to write all that long comment to say the thing all of us know.

Okay.Now see MY OBJECTION:

1- Did you hear Mohammed say what the authors of the Hadith claimed he said? The longest beard in the Sunni faith cannot make such claim or even prove it.
2- The verse in Sura 53 refers to the Quran. By logic, context and admission of -ironically- Sunni scholars:

http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.ph...&Id=198037

وقال الطبري: يقول تعالى ذكره: وما ينطق محمد بهذا القرآن عن هواه, إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى، يقول: ما هذا القرآن إلا وحي من الله يوحيه إليه. اهـ.
وقال البغوي: يريد لا يتكلم بالباطل؛ وذلك أنهم قالوا: إن محمدًا - صلى الله عليه وسلم - يقول القرآن من تلقاء نفسه. اهـ.
وقال البيضاوي: وما يصدر نطقه بالقرآن عن الهوى. اهـ.
و قال النسفي : وما أتاكم به من القرآن ليس بمنطق يصدر عن هواه ورأيه، إنما هو وحي من عند الله يوحى إليه, ويحتج بهذه الآية من لا يرى الاجتهاد للأنبياء عليهم السلام، ويجاب بأن الله تعالى إذا سوغ لهم الاجتهاد وقررهم عليه كان كالوحي, لا نطقًا عن الهوى. اهـ.

The quoted text is the sayings of:

-Imam Tabari 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tabari

-Imam Baghawi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Baghawi

-Imam Al-Bydawi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Baydawi

-Imam Abu Hafs Umar an-Nasafi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hafs_Umar_an-Nasafi

All of them scholars, are saying that this verse is refering to the Quran. The revelation that is meant by the verse, is the same Quran. 
So, your problem, is that you didn't even see what these scholars have said, never listened to logic -and listened to the Sunni beards instead-, and wasted blocks of texts to prove a WRONG opinion that contradicts the scholars of your own sect.

Instead; I think this verse -from the Quran which is THE ONLY revelation from God- does apply to you and to the majority of people practicing the Sunni faith:

Sura 43
( Verse 21 )   Or have We given them a book before the Qur'an to which they are adhering?
( Verse 22 )   Rather, they say, "Indeed, we found our fathers upon a religion, and we are in their footsteps [rightly] guided."

No. I didn't misunderstand a word you said.

[Sheed1980]

Again u misunderstand what I said. I never said the Hadith was the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the word of God Allah alone. The ahadith are the way that Prophet Muhammad pbuh applied the laws and knowledge he received from Allah. But since u for whatever reason say that ALL ahadith are false, who had the knowledge of certain things that were unverifiable by mankind in the time of the Prophet pbuh, which we are able to verify as true with our technology and science today? So I agree with u that there are many so called ahadith that are false or not sound such as the one u gave the link on. But how can u say that none of the ahadith are sound, or in other words the Prophet Muhammad pbuh never said these things? But again don't put words in my mouth stating that I said the Hadith is the Qur'an. The Qur'an is from Allah alone and the ahadith are how the Prophet pbuh applied the Qur'an to his life for mankind to follow.

No, sheed. What I said literally and exactly, is that:

The Sunni and Shiite versions of Islam, are  narrating "Bukhari & Muslim" to build their "fundamentals", but deny it at the end of the day and claim that it's all in the Quran, which is something you perfectly displayed in your previous comment when you said:

I never said Allah says the fly has its disease and cure on its wings is IN THE QUR'AN. This is a Hadith ur right about that. What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration

So you are technically saying:

"What Bukhari, Muslim & other Hadith authors claimed to be a true quote or action said and practiced by Mohammed, is indeed true, since Surah 53:3-4 said that what Mohammed was "reading" in Mecca & Madina, was nothing but a revelation from God".

Any objections? That's what you said. That's what the Sunni faith also says, so you didn't need to write all that long comment to say the thing all of us know.

Okay.Now see MY OBJECTION:

1- Did you hear Mohammed say what the authors of the Hadith claimed he said? The longest beard in the Sunni faith cannot make such claim or even prove it.
2- The verse in Sura 53 refers to the Quran. By logic, context and admission of -ironically- Sunni scholars:

http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.ph...&Id=198037

وقال الطبري: يقول تعالى ذكره: وما ينطق محمد بهذا القرآن عن هواه, إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى، يقول: ما هذا القرآن إلا وحي من الله يوحيه إليه. اهـ.
وقال البغوي: يريد لا يتكلم بالباطل؛ وذلك أنهم قالوا: إن محمدًا - صلى الله عليه وسلم - يقول القرآن من تلقاء نفسه. اهـ.
وقال البيضاوي: وما يصدر نطقه بالقرآن عن الهوى. اهـ.
و قال النسفي : وما أتاكم به من القرآن ليس بمنطق يصدر عن هواه ورأيه، إنما هو وحي من عند الله يوحى إليه, ويحتج بهذه الآية من لا يرى الاجتهاد للأنبياء عليهم السلام، ويجاب بأن الله تعالى إذا سوغ لهم الاجتهاد وقررهم عليه كان كالوحي, لا نطقًا عن الهوى. اهـ.

The quoted text is the sayings of:

-Imam Tabari 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tabari

-Imam Baghawi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Baghawi

-Imam Al-Bydawi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Baydawi

-Imam Abu Hafs Umar an-Nasafi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hafs_Umar_an-Nasafi

All of them scholars, are saying that this verse is refering to the Quran. The revelation that is meant by the verse, is the same Quran. 
So, your problem, is that you didn't even see what these scholars have said, never listened to logic -and listened to the Sunni beards instead-, and wasted blocks of texts to prove a WRONG opinion that contradicts the scholars of your own sect.

Instead; I think this verse -from the Quran which is THE ONLY revelation from God- does apply to you and to the majority of people practicing the Sunni faith:

Sura 43
( Verse 21 )   Or have We given them a book before the Qur'an to which they are adhering?
( Verse 22 )   Rather, they say, "Indeed, we found our fathers upon a religion, and we are in their footsteps [rightly] guided."

No. I didn't misunderstand a word you said.

Obviously u did my friend. Because I never said the Prophet pbuh "Read" any of Allah's revelations. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh was illiterate, he could not read or write. And there are sound ahadith that support this statement. Another thing u have to realize is with scholars there are many opinionated differences between their views. However there are also many things that they unanimously agree on. A good way to look at the hadith is Allah gives us the example of the situation in the Qur'an (the law) but he allows the Prophet Muhammad pbuh to define them for us in the Hadith (application). For instance with surah 53 Allah mentions the ma'arij or ascension of the Prophet pbuh to Paradise, but doesn't go into extreme detail. However there are Hadith that the Prophet pbuh gives explanation and detail to an extent of what he witnessed in Paradise so our finite human minds could get somewhat of an image of what Paradise consists of. He tells us of the trees in Paradise not a single one of them does not have a trunk that is of gold. The mansions are so large that it would take a fast horse 60 years to reach from one corner to the other, and they are built with bricks of gold and silver. The houris are so beautiful we would think them as red wine in crystal white glasses. The water of Paradise is whiter than milk and sweeter than honey. These are just a few of descriptions of Paradise that are in the Hadith which Allah has allowed and blessed us to have knowledge of through His messenger Muhammad pbuh. So in the Qur'an Allah gives us the example of His word and command, but He allows the Prophet pbuh to give us a further description of His word and command in the Hadith, not just of Paradise but all of Allah's word and knowledge that He chose to reveal to the Prophet pbuh for us to know.

[Alex K]

One day I'll find the FIRST THREAD ever on this forum, and necropost it! But first I'll log onto Youtube to leave a flame comment under "Me at the zoo". Stupid elephants with their trunks, they suck!

Dunno about the first thread for sure, but this one is certainly a candidate as it was created on Tiberius' and Darwinian's join date:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-7.html

And even one where I'd feel tempted to comment!

[WinterHold]

Obviously u did my friend. Because I never said the Prophet pbuh "Read" any of Allah's revelations. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh was illiterate, he could not read or write. And there are sound ahadith that support this statement. Another thing u have to realize is with scholars there are many opinionated differences between their views. However there are also many things that they unanimously agree on. A good way to look at the hadith is Allah gives us the example of the situation in the Qur'an (the law) but he allows the Prophet Muhammad pbuh to define them for us in the Hadith (application). For instance with surah 53 Allah mentions the ma'arij or ascension of the Prophet pbuh to Paradise, but doesn't go into extreme detail. However there are Hadith that the Prophet pbuh gives explanation and detail to an extent of what he witnessed in Paradise so our finite human minds could get somewhat of an image of what Paradise consists of. He tells us of the trees in Paradise not a single one of them does not have a trunk that is of gold. The mansions are so large that it would take a fast horse 60 years to reach from one corner to the other, and they are built with bricks of gold and silver. The houris are so beautiful we would think them as red wine in crystal white glasses. The water of Paradise is whiter than milk and sweeter than honey. These are just a few of descriptions of Paradise that are in the Hadith which Allah has allowed and blessed us to have knowledge of through His messenger Muhammad pbuh. So in the Qur'an Allah gives us the example of His word and command, but He allows the Prophet pbuh to give us a further description of His word and command in the Hadith, not just of Paradise but all of Allah's word and knowledge that He chose to reveal to the Prophet pbuh for us to know.

OMG..Dear lord, seriously sheed?

Seriously?

You are playing word gymnastics ?

Phewww..off to the dictionary we go:

reading

ˈriːdɪŋ/
noun
noun: reading; plural noun: readings
an occasion at which pieces of literature are read to an audience.
"a poetry reading"

• a piece of literature or passage of scripture that is read aloud.
  "readings from the Bible"
  
  

Okay. Now we know that the word "reading" means to "say aloud into a crowd" a piece of literature or a passage from the scripture.
Now -deer sheed- we come to your practice of linguistic gymnastics:

"Does the location of a scripture, needs to be a written book? following the official definition of the word "reading"? or in other words: am I that ignorant, to think that Mohammed did read, despite me being a Musilim for like 24 years?????? a native Arab, too xD?"

Let's see what the Quran said about the location of the Quran during the time Mohammed used to READ from it:

Sura 29
( 47 )   And thus We have sent down to you the Qur'an. And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers.
( 48 )   And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt.
( 49 )   Rather, the Qur'an is distinct verses [preserved] within the breasts of those who have been given knowledge. And none reject Our verses except the wrongdoers.

See the bold verses.
I should've used "recite". But I thought we're grown ups. 

recite
rɪˈsʌɪt/
verb
verb: recite; 3rd person present: recites; past tense: recited; past participle: recited; gerund or present participle: reciting

1. repeat aloud or declaim (a poem or passage) from memory before an audience.
   "he recited passages of Dante"
   synonyms:
   repeat from memory, say aloud, read aloud, declaim, quote, speak, deliver, render; More
   
   • say aloud (a series of names, facts, etc.).
     "she recited the dates and names of kings and queens"
     synonyms:
     enumerate, list, detail, itemize, reel off, rattle off; 
     recount, relate, describe, narrate,give an account of, run through, recapitulate, repeat, rehearse, specify, particularize,spell out
     "once again, Sir John recited the facts they knew"
     
     

 

And still, it is correct to say that "somebody is reading from memory". The previous sentence, is exactly equivalent to recite.
Word gymnastics, are when you "act as a child, and snipe for tangling with meanings to extend an argument you already lost".
Just like an arrogant child who can't admit that his whole faith is -ironically- just like a fly, which got flushed in a toilet, to get its wings broken. A fly so noisy. Pretty much just like the weak faith you carry, there is no argument between me and you.
Please, reply to my previous comment, because you didn't. Reply to the Hadiths that accuse prophet Mohammed to be a pedophile who used to kiss children's penises, and please don't use word gymnastics. It's your loss; not mine.

[Sheed1980]

Obviously u did my friend. Because I never said the Prophet pbuh "Read" any of Allah's revelations. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh was illiterate, he could not read or write. And there are sound ahadith that support this statement. Another thing u have to realize is with scholars there are many opinionated differences between their views. However there are also many things that they unanimously agree on. A good way to look at the hadith is Allah gives us the example of the situation in the Qur'an (the law) but he allows the Prophet Muhammad pbuh to define them for us in the Hadith (application). For instance with surah 53 Allah mentions the ma'arij or ascension of the Prophet pbuh to Paradise, but doesn't go into extreme detail. However there are Hadith that the Prophet pbuh gives explanation and detail to an extent of what he witnessed in Paradise so our finite human minds could get somewhat of an image of what Paradise consists of. He tells us of the trees in Paradise not a single one of them does not have a trunk that is of gold. The mansions are so large that it would take a fast horse 60 years to reach from one corner to the other, and they are built with bricks of gold and silver. The houris are so beautiful we would think them as red wine in crystal white glasses. The water of Paradise is whiter than milk and sweeter than honey. These are just a few of descriptions of Paradise that are in the Hadith which Allah has allowed and blessed us to have knowledge of through His messenger Muhammad pbuh. So in the Qur'an Allah gives us the example of His word and command, but He allows the Prophet pbuh to give us a further description of His word and command in the Hadith, not just of Paradise but all of Allah's word and knowledge that He chose to reveal to the Prophet pbuh for us to know.

OMG..Dear lord, seriously sheed?

Seriously?

You are playing word gymnastics ?

Phewww..off to the dictionary we go:

reading

ˈriːdɪŋ/
noun
noun: reading; plural noun: readings
an occasion at which pieces of literature are read to an audience.
"a poetry reading"

• a piece of literature or passage of scripture that is read aloud.
  "readings from the Bible"
  
  

Okay. Now we know that the word "reading" means to "say aloud into a crowd" a piece of literature or a passage from the scripture.
Now -deer sheed- we come to your practice of linguistic gymnastics:

"Does the location of a scripture, needs to be a written book? following the official definition of the word "reading"? or in other words: am I that ignorant, to think that Mohammed did read, despite me being a Musilim for like 24 years?????? a native Arab, too xD?"

Let's see what the Quran said about the location of the Quran during the time Mohammed used to READ from it:

Sura 29
( 47 )   And thus We have sent down to you the Qur'an. And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers.
( 48 )   And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt.
( 49 )   Rather, the Qur'an is distinct verses [preserved] within the breasts of those who have been given knowledge. And none reject Our verses except the wrongdoers.

See the bold verses.
I should've used "recite". But I thought we're grown ups. 

recite
rɪˈsʌɪt/
verb
verb: recite; 3rd person present: recites; past tense: recited; past participle: recited; gerund or present participle: reciting

1. repeat aloud or declaim (a poem or passage) from memory before an audience.
   "he recited passages of Dante"
   synonyms:
   repeat from memory, say aloud, read aloud, declaim, quote, speak, deliver, render; More
   
   • say aloud (a series of names, facts, etc.).
     "she recited the dates and names of kings and queens"
     synonyms:
     enumerate, list, detail, itemize, reel off, rattle off; 
     recount, relate, describe, narrate,give an account of, run through, recapitulate, repeat, rehearse, specify, particularize,spell out
     "once again, Sir John recited the facts they knew"
     
     

 

And still, it is correct to say that "somebody is reading from memory". The previous sentence, is exactly equivalent to recite.
Word gymnastics, are when you "act as a child, and snipe for tangling with meanings to extend an argument you already lost".
Just like an arrogant child who can't admit that his whole faith is -ironically- just like a fly, which got flushed in a toilet, to get its wings broken. A fly so noisy. Pretty much just like the weak faith you carry, there is no argument between me and you.
Please, reply to my previous comment, because you didn't. Reply to the Hadiths that accuse prophet Mohammed to be a pedophile who used to kiss children's penises, and please don't use word gymnastics. It's your loss; not mine.

Well I'm only responding to the message u left me my friend. When u put what Muhammad pbuh " WAS READING" u used it in the form of a verb. To read is a verb or action which Muhammad pbuh could not perform. Now the definition u just gave of "A READING" is a noun. If u had used it that Muhammad pbuh was preaching or reciting A READING then I would agree with u. So I'm not trying to play on words I am simply responding to the message u left. So yes, we are grown ups. I just didn't know if u knew about Muhammad's pbuh illiteracy or not because of how u responded. But I apologize for responding that way to u when I simply misunderstood ur point off of a small mistake.
I've never seen u or met u before. I don't know ur religious background or faith or anything. So u say that u r a Muslim of 24 years and also an Arab, Alhamdulillah! I don't know that just by talking to u over the website. Allah is only All-Knowing. And u keep sending Qur'anic verses trying to make it seem like I don't believe in the Qur'an as Allah's word alone. I believe in the Qur'an and all of its miracles and know that it is Allah's word. I will never deny that in my entire life (Insha'allah). My point is that the Prophet Muhammad saws was amongst the Sahaba which were verifiers of many of the sound Ahadith. In no way am I saying the hadith came before the Qur'an. Allah sent His law first and as the Prophet saws applied the law to his own lifestyle, these are things that his wives and Sahaba heard him say. So my bottom line is Allah bases everything on our intention and of our knowledge of a subject. If a hadith is listed as sound and has been that same way for centuries after the Prophet's saws death, yes ur right we weren't there to hear him actually say it so we don't know if he did, but we also weren't there to hear him not say it so u can't claim that it is totally false as a hadith. That is all I'm saying brother. As-Salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatulaahi wa barakaatu.