God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Believing Vs Claiming to Believe
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Hey GC do you believe in bigfoot?
I'm gunna keep asking until I get an actual answer. See the answer you gave that you haven't looked for him, doesn't answer the question. Its irrelevant what I want the answer to be because there are only two choices, yes or no. This is what this situation is like: Guy: Hey buddy, you got the time? Me: Potato Guy: That doesn't make sense Me: I answered your question now leave me alone. Just because I gave you an answer you didn't want doesn't mean its wrong.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech (November 19, 2013 at 3:58 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Hey GC do you believe in bigfoot? Maybe GC had a "personal relationship" with bigfoot that involved a lot of time on his knees, and he don't want to talk about it anymore since moving on to another guy named Jesus.
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(November 19, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Maybe GC had a "personal relationship" with bigfoot that involved a lot of time on his knees, and he don't want to talk about it anymore since moving on to another guy named Jesus. Maybe he gave him up because of all the carpet burns
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
Back on topic...
I'm not entirely sure I actually believed what I claimed to believe when I was a Christian. The entire time I identified myself as a Christian I sensed a nagging dissonance between what I had 'faith' in, and what I knew to be legitimate and tangible. I was very passionate about my beliefs, just as I am now passionate about my disbelief, and I am not immune to needing to have some semblance of understanding as to why I exist. It's just that now, the understanding I seek is not found in the heavens, but within the human experience. Looking back, I can say that it was a continual balancing/juggling act, where I had to parse what I knew was real, with what I hoped was true. I can see how Christians (and other religious people) would want to cling to hope that feels good while living in a world of real pain, for I once identified with their plight. The difference is, now I don't need the fairy tales to exist.
FFF, I felt the same way until I started to understand Swedenborg. YMMV
(November 8, 2013 at 10:24 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote: The more I talk to self proclaimed Christians (outside of AF), the more I get the feeling that most of them pretend to believe. When pressed to give a description of their belief, they either can't provide one and would rather not talk about it, or chalk it up to the way they were raised, and humbly admit they don't know very much about it.I think that there is a genuine belief, especially for those who (like me) were raised religious. You take for granted that god exists and because that belief is absolute, you don't worry that much when a tough question comes along. Almost any explanation or rationalization will do because it conforms with that deeply-held belief. I can remember that even the earliest questions that I had problems answering (I think the first ones were about Judas) did not make my belief in god waver. There were probably other questions and doubts that attacked that core belief that wound up leading me away from religion. I cannot recall any of them offhand, just the few uncomfortable questions that did not seem to shake my belief. But as long as that absolute belief in god existed, tested or not, I was pretty safe. But because so much of the difficult stuff was anchored to that one assumption, it crumbled pretty easily once I gave up that belief. Until then, though, my belief in god and my ability to rationalize religious belief in the face of even overwhelming evidence was not really threatened. That is the essence of blind faith, and why I think it is so damaging to a person (and why it can make otherwise 'good' people very dangerous).
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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