Tell Me Again Why....

[Minimalist]

we are propping up these miserable barbarians?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/...35281.html

Afghanistan plans stoning adulterers to death
Draft revision of penal code includes public punishment for married adulterers, a move harking back to Taliban rule.

[The Valkyrie]

Because, apparently they're not satisfied with living in the 15th century.

Why we're propping them up? Frankly, no fucking idea.

[Rayaan]

The stoning to death punishment existed way before Islam - it was a Jewish law, as dictated in the Old Testament.

The Prophet Muhammad continued implementing that law until a new revelation came regarding the punishment for adultery, which is now 100 lashes for both male and female. The Quran doesn't say anything about stoning the adulterers at all. The punishment is 100 lashes, and there has to be at least 4 witnesses who saw the act in order to implement a lashing (which is extremely unlikely to happen), OR that the adulterers confessed their sin to someone (which they shouldn't), but if neither of those conditions are met, then the lashing punishment cannot be enforced if even they are actually guilty of adultery.

And the punishment for a slave girl is half of that punishment (per Surah 4:25) - which is 50 lashes - so it wouldn't make sense to say that slave girls should get "half the punishment of stoning to death" if stoning was really the punishment prescribed by the Quran. What could be "half" the punishment of stoning to death?

Most Muslims and the majority of scholars do believe that stoning for adultery is a part of Shariah (I used to believe that also), but they support that opinion by citing only 3 or 4 hadiths, where the Prophet himself ordered to carry out the punishment after the adulterers confessed their sins to him. However, those hadiths do not tell us whether or not the stoning punishments took place before or after the Quranic revelations on adultery. So, it is very much possible that the stoning law may have been abrogated after the Quranic verses on adultery were revealed.

Also, a lot Muslims argue that the lashing punishment is for unmarried adulterers only, and that the stoning punishment is for married adulterers. But the Quran simply says that the punishment of lashing is for both a "man" and a "woman" who have been proven to commit adultery (by 4 witnesses), and thus the punishment can apply to any man or a woman regardless of whether they are married or unmarried.

Such a dangerous punishment (stoning to death) would have been mentioned in the Quran if that is really the punishment in Islam, anyways. And it doesn't seem logical to me that the Quran would include so many lesser punishments (100 lashes, 50 lashes, 80 lashes, cutting off hands, etc.) and leave out the greatest and the most severe punishment of all (stoning), which we should be most aware of.

[pocaracas]

Lashes... as in with a whip? hitting your back and ripping the skin open with each lash? 100 lashes? 50 lashes?
I've never been submitted to such a treatment, but my guess is that 5 are more than enough to make you regret anything permanently... and have a long lasting scar on your back.
More than 5 is just plain brutality and bloodlust.
To have such a punishment in place, in the 21st century, is, to me, barbaric... there are other ways to punish people.
Much graver crimes get much milder punishments...

[Rayaan]

Much graver crimes get much milder punishments...

... which is why people feel less afraid committing those graver crimes.


Prisons don't work too well either.

It's breathtaking hypocrisy because the very prison officers who frisk you just might be trafficking the drugs with which the system is awash. Time and again addict inmates I've spoken to have told me that it's easier to obtain heroin in jail than out.

Contrary to the view of prison as a deterrent and a way of keeping criminals off the streets, almost all enlightened opinion now concurs in the following.

Not only does prison, for the vast majority of those who endure it, not work, either as punishment or as rehabilitation, but there is no escaping the conclusion that it functions as a stimulant to crime, rather than its bromide.

The current chief inspector of prisons for England and Wales recently warned that the latest pupils to enroll in these £30,000 per-annum malefaction academies are being recruited by criminal gangs, and will almost certainly reoffend upon their release - if not before.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15196517

[pocaracas]

Indeed...
I view jail as a way to keep those troublesome individuals away from the remaining society. It's the grown up version of "you can't behave properly - go to the corner".
This "punishment" should be interpreted as a cooling of and learning that that behavior is undesired and must be avoided... instead, prisons have people wanting to go back in... Not all, I think, but some will.... some will always be troublesome... some will never have any reason to want to belong with the rest of society.

Now, should we offer corporal punishment to any and all crimes?
Should we make people bleed when they steal something? Should the amount of blood flowing be proportional to the value of the thing stolen?
How about politicians? Should we make them bleed for the millions they take from everyone and put in the hands of a few friends (and themselves)? Is locking them up a solution? They need to be caught and tried, first... that's not happening...
Clearly, then, the system is flawed... should we make people bleed on a flawed system?

[Nineteen]

There is no such a rule in Quran , but maybe in hadiths .

Hadiths are written after centuries of the prophet and four caliphs . A lot of verse in Quran forbids to believe in hadiths .

Hadith : Stories about the islamic life .

[Psykhronic]

I really do not care if stoning to death, lashing people, or what the fuck ever is in the Koran or Hadith or not. Why are we helping people who yearn for barbaric punishments? That question seems to be more to the point of the OP.

[Nineteen]

You dont help anyone , you just look as if you help them , an illusion to hide something .

[Psykhronic]

Fine, the helping part of my post should have been in quotations. Why are we getting involved is the fucking point.