Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!

[The Valkyrie]

On 4, I would generally agree with you. However, unvaccinated children and people still cause numerous outbreaks which cost millions, if not billions of dollars every year to treat.

True. But so does smoking, drinking and obesity. Once you start legislating to MAKE people be healthy, not merely by forbidding poisons but by mandating positive treatments, you step over a very dangerous line into personal freedom imo. It's a bit fuzzy with kids because you could make a good argument that the parents are being neglectful, but it still treads on dangerous ground. I let my kids climb trees, eat dirt and I don't give them ab's unless they are hospital level sick. Those are my parenting choices. I don't want anyone else given the right to make them for me.

I'll grant you those objections, especially smoking and drinking as the detrimental effects do affect others. Not so sure on obesity which, while costing a lot in medical bills, generally only affects the individual, not those around them.

I'm also against throwing abs at everything and over using them.

[psychoslice]

Yea that is why I used Google, there's heaps of info out there and I guess you already know most of it, its just that you don't believe it, where as I do, that's all it is, I have my beliefs and you have yours.

Nope.

You've got 'beliefs', we have evidence based conclusions on the efficacy of a vaccination programme eliminating diseases and protecting the immuno-compromised.

But please don't left facts and research get in the way of your 'beliefs'. We know how precious they are to you. I just really hope you don't get a viral infection that would otherwise have been impossible had people recieved their vaccinations.

Yep I'll keep to my beliefs right now thanks.

[rexbeccarox]

Nope.

You've got 'beliefs', we have evidence based conclusions on the efficacy of a vaccination programme eliminating diseases and protecting the immuno-compromised.

But please don't left facts and research get in the way of your 'beliefs'. We know how precious they are to you. I just really hope you don't get a viral infection that would otherwise have been impossible had people recieved their vaccinations.

Yep I'll keep to my beliefs right now thanks.

Between this and the moon landing thread, I'm not surprised your only rep point is from a banned user. You're just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you". It's ridiculous.

This isn't about "belief". The ignorance is willful with you.

[Bad Writer]

Fuck your "beliefs". Practicing them makes you a mass murderer.

[psychoslice]

Yep I'll keep to my beliefs right now thanks.

Between this and the moon landing thread, I'm not surprised your only rep point is from a banned user. You're just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you". It's ridiculous.

This isn't about "belief". The ignorance is willful with you.

Yea yea, its all about you being right, you go a head and believe anything that the FDA says.

---

[quote='Bad Writer' pid='691414' dateline='1403127717']
Fuck your "beliefs". Practicing them makes you a mass murderer.
[/quote

And fuck your ignorance, it helps to keep us dumb.

[Bad Writer]

Pot, meet kettle.

---

Your unwillingness to engage us in a thoughtful discussion about this decries your own willful ignorance, not ours. Give us one example of how you've even considered a thing that we've said to you. Just one.

---

You're talking to a forum full of skeptics. Are you really that surprised that no one agrees with your baseless assertions?

[Jacob(smooth)]

I'm actually quite happy to see psychoslice here. The fact is she is representative of a not inconsiderable slice of population. As frustrating as her beliefs are to me, I'm glad she's giving us the opportunity to try to understand them.

Psychoslice, if you would. You've stated the views you hold, my question would be this. What evidence would convince you that vaccines do prevent disease? What would that need?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Nope.

You've got 'beliefs', we have evidence based conclusions on the efficacy of a vaccination programme eliminating diseases and protecting the immuno-compromised.

But please don't left facts and research get in the way of your 'beliefs'. We know how precious they are to you. I just really hope you don't get a viral infection that would otherwise have been impossible had people recieved their vaccinations.

Yep I'll keep to my beliefs right now thanks.

Ok. Like I said, hope you don't feel too guilty when you infect someone with a compromised immune system with a viral infection that kills them when it could have been completely preventable had you just gotten a quick injection.

---

Psychoslice, if you would. You've stated the views you hold, my question would be this. What evidence would convince you that vaccines do prevent disease? What would that need?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say nothing if it disagrees with him/her.

[psychoslice]

Yep, you all can have your belief's, and have my own, and that's all it really is, if you are so upset about mine, then fuck you, get over it..

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Yep, you all can have your belief's, and have my own, and that's all it really is, if you are so upset about mine, then fuck you, get over it..

You don't fucking understand do you you fucking prick?

Your beliefs are fucking HARMFUL to those that feel the consequences of your idiocy. I am immune compromised and hence susceptible to a myriad of infections to the point where I rely on the health (immunity) of others to shield me from infections.

Your fucking retarded ass, unfounded, and demonstrably false 'beliefs' put me and millions of others in danger and there's not a goddamn thing we can do about it.

Your beliefs make you no better than a fucking murderer if you are a carrying something that you would have otherwise been immune to had you had your vaccination and you come into contact with someone like me.

So fuck you. Your beliefs are baseless assertions. We don't have beliefs on the efficacy of vaccinations, we have fucking EVIDENCE. See that word dipshit? It's the difference between us and you. You can dismiss the overwhelming evidence that clearly show vaccinations to be a boon to global health and infection rates, but then again it's pretty obvious from your post history that you're just as deluded as any fundie theist.