Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!

[rexbeccarox]

Dude. The word "vaccine" doesn't even appear in that article. What does this have to do with the topic?

Looks like I have to spell it out for you, the topic was only an example of not trusting everything that medical science brings out, Dhoo.

You're really not very good at this. I think I'll just facepalm in the corner now.

[psychoslice]

Looks like I have to spell it out for you, the topic was only an example of not trusting everything that medical science brings out, Dhoo.

Nope. But when something like vaccines have a long standing record of success, I'd say it's pretty trustworthy. And a basic study of a history of medicine gives pretty good evidence that when vaccines come out, previously deadly diseases become an afterthought.

Or are you trying to pass on the homeopathy spouted on natural news about how raindrops and granola would all make us healthy as could be?

Homeopathy, na I'm not into that rubbish, I know a lot of good has come from medical science, I would probably be dead now if not for medical science. The thing is, just because medical science had brought a lot of good, doesn't mean they are perfect without mistakes being made, they made many mistakes through history, and I know that cannot be helped, but again I don't worship every damn thing they do. My father died in hospital because of a doctor, he developed a blood clot in his lower leg, the doctor on shift forgot to tell the other doctor to administer a intravenous drip to thinned the blood, and of course he died because of that. We only found out because a nurse on shift knew my mum and dad.

[TaraJo]

Homeopathy, na I'm not into that rubbish, I know a lot of good has come from medical science, I would probably be dead now if not for medical science. The thing is, just because medical science had brought a lot of good, doesn't mean they are perfect without mistakes being made, they made many mistakes through history, and I know that cannot be helped, but again I don't worship every damn thing they do. My father died in hospital because of a doctor, he developed a blood clot in his lower leg, the doctor on shift forgot to tell the other doctor to administer a intravenous drip to thinned the blood, and of course he died because of that. We only found out because a nurse on shift knew my mum and dad.

Actually, from the sound of your story, the medical science was sound and your father would have survived if not for the absentmindedness of the people involved. So it really isn't a good argument against the medical practices, but if we're talking about mistakes made by hospital staff, sure, they make mistakes that can kill people. I'm very sorry for your loss, but it doesn't really prove the point you're making.

Let's say you do have good, solid evidence that vaccines are really that harmful. Publish it. Present it to the rest of the scientific community. If you're right and your findings stand up to scrutiny, you'll win a nobel prize. So far as I know, only one person has published a paper saying that vaccines are harmful: Andrew Wakefield. His paper was so fraudlant and his practices were so abusive that his medical license was revoked and government officials were considering pressing charges. That's how bad his studies were.

But let's not even look at that: let's just look at history. Smallpox was a dreaded disease until vaccines came around. Now nobody worries about it. Polio crippled people on a regular basis before, but now that we have a vaccine for it, most Americans have never met someone who has had polio. Yellow fever was a deadly disease, too, but since we've had a vaccine for it, we've pushed it to extinction.

If you want to look at current events, that's fine, too. Have you noticed that when large groups of anti-vax people gather together, diseases tend to break out? Measles, mumps, whooping couth..... those are the kinds of things that only seem to happen in groups of anti-vax people.

Yes, these diseases can be deadly. I watched my own little brother come down with septic arthritis from an infected chicken pox sore (this was before there was a chicken pox vaccine). He nearly died and if my mom wasn't observant enough or the emergency room wasn't quick enough, that's exactly what would have happened. We have more than close calls. Just google "died from whooping cough" and you'll get a whole host of stories like this: http://www.mercurynews.com/health/ci_260...death-from

It's true, these diseases aren't as dangerous as they used to be. That's because most people have been vaccinated, making it difficult to spread them. I suggest looking up herd immunity if you want to learn more about it.

[psychoslice]

Hi TaraJo, yes in those words it does sound great for vaccines, but these words are probably from the very ones who dish this shit out. Anyway I'm sick of this thread, you have your mind made up and I suppose I have mine made up. What I don't like from you and others here, is that you wont admit that doctors make big mistakes, as if their gods, that is what pisses me off.

[rexbeccarox]

I work for a patient advocate. I know all too well that doctors make mistakes... I wouldn't have this job if the medical field wasn't rife with problems.

I don't understand why we're talking about that in a thread about vaccines.

Going back to my corner now.

[TaraJo]

What I don't like from you and others here, is that you wont admit that doctors make big mistakes, as if their gods, that is what pisses me off.

Let's read my last post again, shall we? I took the liberty of underlining the important part.



Yes, doctors make mistakes. I don't question that for a second. But I don't see vaccines amongst those mistakes.

[psychoslice]

I work for a patient advocate. I know all too well that doctors make mistakes... I wouldn't have this job if the medical field wasn't rife with problems.

I don't understand why we're talking about that in a thread about vaccines.

Going back to my corner now.

I'm surprised you don't see the connection ?.

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Hi TaraJo, sorry I didn't see that, yes that's true and most are big mistakes that's for sure.

[Chas]

I work for a patient advocate. I know all too well that doctors make mistakes... I wouldn't have this job if the medical field wasn't rife with problems.

I don't understand why we're talking about that in a thread about vaccines.

Going back to my corner now.

I'm surprised you don't see the connection ?.

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Hi TaraJo, sorry I didn't see that, yes that's true and most are big mistakes that's for sure.

There isn't one. Medical researchers and vaccine developers are an entirely distinct group of people from hospital physicians.