Evolution and Islam

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"Quran 2:118

Those who do not know say, "Why does Allah not speak to us or there come to us a sign?" Thus spoke those before them like their words. Their hearts resemble each other. We have shown clearly the signs to a people who are certain [in faith]."

It's like it's written by Nineteen.

[The Valkyrie]

"Quran 2:118

Those who do not know say, "Why does Allah not speak to us or there come to us a sign?" Thus spoke those before them like their words. Their hearts resemble each other. We have shown clearly the signs to a people who are certain [in faith]."

"You shall not pass" Lord of the Rings 2:31

[Bad Writer]

Well, Sleepy, if Nineteen won't show us who these Muslim evolution scientists are, perhaps you can enlighten us.

Or you can continue to throw contextually absurd verses at us.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I dont want to discuss . I say my opinion and share my knowledge if I want . You are free to deny it or research about it . I dont have to share a link for every word I say .

No, not every word you say. Every claim you make

"every breath you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you".

And that was a lyric of course from the Police, or as they're now known, Sting.

[Chas]

You do understand that those vaunted "different ideas" you talk about are nothing but old desert religious bullshit? I could care 0 about changing your idea but very well, I shall fart on your face, if you refuse, you are not open to 'new ideas'....

In this topic I have said many times that my religion does not contradict with evolution . You are just programmed to defend your mindset blindly and this is an evidence for me that the theory of "human" evolution is just philosophical ideology which is used against religious people .

Quran includes verses which can be detected to support evolution but still I dont accept it , because its not proven completely .

Now I'm gonna put you in my ignore list , you need to learn speak politely with people .

People here are simply pointing out the path of reason and knowledge.
If you wish to stay in the ditch of delusion, that is your choice. Just be aware that that's also where all the sewage goes.

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I could claim I'm the God-Empress of the Cosmos

I bet Violet has something to say regarding that!

I'm a born-again Beccsian - she is truly the God-Empress of the Cosmos. I have many evidences of this, but I won't share them.

[TheBeardedDude]

The ramblings of a pedophile do not indicate he had any understanding of anything other than his own foul smell.

[Cyberman]

You are just programmed to defend your mindset blindly and this is an evidence for me that the theory of "human" evolution is just philosophical ideology which is used against religious people .

Translation: "I came here with the opinion that "human" evolution is an atheist conspiracy against religious people. People here have been trying to tell me otherwise. This is merely them defending their mindset blindly and proves that my initial presupposition is true."

You have fallen into a black hole of credibility.

Quran includes verses which can be detected to support evolution but still I dont accept it , because its not proven completely .

Well, points for recognising that magic 'holy' books can be spun to support anything you like (or more correctly, hate). Sadly, instead of questioning why these verses need to be spun to fit descriptions of reality, you opted for the route of questioning reality and whether it fits your magic verses. You're going to make me use the regrettable phrase "typical fundy", I'm afraid.

Now I'm gonna put you in my ignore list , you need to learn speak politely with people .

You're going to find it rather difficult to speak to anyone very much at all if you block everyone in this wonderfully judgemental fashion. Other than Staff, of course - good luck with that.

[Lemonvariable72]

Is it just me or has 19's ignore list turned drippy aids list, in the sense that if your on it, your doing something right.

[Mister Agenda]

Yes you're misrepresenting me . But its partially correct .

This would have been a great opportunity to clarify your position by explaining how I've misrepresented you. Do you want to be misunderstood for some reason?

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I'm glad we are talking with each other on internet . Probably you would not allow me to speak anything in real life .

You would have been hard put to find something more rude to say, Nineteen. Are you under the impression that you are being polite as long as you don't use 'bad' words?

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Believe me I wont share any link , you cant imagine what a stubborn I'm . I swear on my family I wont share any link even if you kill me .

You're a teenager, aren't you?

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I just said my opinion and didnt claim anything . I dont care if someone believe in me or not.

Apparently, you don't even care if anyone understands what you're trying to say or not. Maybe you just like typing words.

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Why I cant say my opinion because of someone does not like it.

It's not the content of your opinion that a problem. It's that you won't explain or defend it. It's like telling us you like peas. That's nice for you, but if you don't have anything more to say on the topic, why keep talking?

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The Quran is there and accessible for near near everyone along with Islamic Jurisprudence. If more people passed opinions on what they knew of and not heard about this world would be a better place

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Engage your life within watching soy thrillers less and improving your self as a person. Develop your character

The quote you shared from the Quran seems to be about embryology, things anyone who cut open a sheep or examined a miscarriage could know. That you think it's about evolution is your opinion, and valueless without additional reason to think you are correct.

The sad thing is that Muslim naturalists WERE close to figuring evolution out a thousand years ago, but their ideas were suppressed by orthodox Imams. Think where the Muslim world would be today if it had continued to value science over strict interpretation of scripture.

When the West had its Enlightenment, it didn't become more Western, it became more like the Muslim World in its Golden Age. It's ironic that Islamists reject the values Westerners at least partly got from Middle Eastern phiolosphers and scholars. Arguably, Muslims invented peer review, one of our most powerful scientific tools, not to mention Algebra. I would love to see Muslims reclaim their scientific heritage, but too many see it as a Western idea and scorn it.

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It's truly entertaining to see so many long essays written that sound more like a barking dog and less as a rational person.
All I've seem are comments of desperation of the ignorance that lies in their hearts and denial of Islam and Allah that created them.
This ignorance and arrogance would be replaced with knowledge and love of know lever starting life anew as a Muslim and as a person that is peaceful, is kind to his wife and strangers honest among other qualities

I'm honest and peaceful and kind. Islam doesn't own these qualities.

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You dont challange it , you use it as a propoganda tool . If you were people who want to learn , you would try to research when I say Islamic world includes scientist those who defend evolution.

You seem to have forgotten what you were asked to show. No one here disputes that their are Muslim scientists who defend evolution.

You just say "where the links ? this is a lie if there is no link" , what a wise approach , if there is no link then you're a liar , a sentence befitting a person who loves to science and research.

If you provide no evidence, it doesn't mean you're a liar. It means you haven't provided a reason to think what you say is true.

This is a clear evidence to see the theory of evolution is a weapon used against religious people.

Plenty of religious people have no problem with the theory of evolution. You're just so unclear that we can't figure out if you're one of them or not.

Main purpose is not science .

Absurd. If you don't believe me, do research until you do.

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In case there's any doubt that a Muslim scientist can accept evolution:

http://biology.mcgill.ca/faculty/abouhei...tions.html

[Ksa]

Listen, to understand her behavior, you have to go to the basis of the human brain, particularly the reward system. Look what a nice definition is given on Wikipedia about behavior:

"A reward is an appetitive stimulus given to a human or some other animal to alter its behavior. Rewards typically serve as reinforcers. A reinforcer is something that, when presented after a behavior, causes the probability of that behavior's occurrence to increase."



The sensation that wikipedia talks about is not a taste, smell or a sense of touch, it's all 3 reunited. If it was a smell, it would smell like a mixture of vanilla and molten sugar. If it was a taste, it would taste like vanilla, and if it was a touch it would feel like sex. But when all these reunite you cannot tell so you experience a complex sensation called pleasure.

The nature of pleasure is all the same, what changes is its intensity. The intensity increases proportionally with the amount of contact there is between dopamine and the receptors, so the more dopamine is released at once the more intense the pleasure. It's like touching icecream with the tip of the tongue vs. sticking it in your mouth. More contact.

So when she prays you know, when she moves her head sideways (balancing her nut-brain in between the casing) "asalaaam wasalaaam alhamdulellah...bisminlah...la la la la" Her dopamine increases causing also an increase in serotonin. So if she's had anxiety problems in the past and wanted to slit, this is a good way to increase serotonin and get rid of those anxiety problems.

What happens is, she benefits from it chemically, like a junkie benefits chemically from a speed ball. Since it messes with her brain chemistry it causes a psychological addiction. She fights for it. If you tell her it's wrong or it's not the truth, she couldn't care for a fuck bit. She's in her bubble bisminlah rahman rahim...her head is floating in dopamine and doesn't care what her parents say, what we say...what can we do to the needle junkie to make her stop? Nothing. It's wired in her reward system, she's hooked to that shit.

You know one of my friends turned out to be hooked to Heroin and we had 100 conversations. I would tell him "do you realize what this is doing to your parents, seeing you like this" and "do you want your parents to bury you"...he just litened to me and said yes, yes, yes, yes and then went right back to shoot. It's a failure of the human mind. Now religion is not like Heroin where the addict can't even recall his own name but it may still affect your reason and IQ to some extend but the most important part is that they don't WANT to see the truth because it's not in their immediate interest. They want to pray at 2pm, that's their immediate interest. Like going to take a smoke.