God is timeless

[Medi]

Look, to human perception, for practical reasons related to the point I was making, we perceive the present moment. Whether we can 'travel' through time, or not, doesn't negate the fact that within our minds, we are always in a 'present'.

Our perception limits us to 'experiencing' the present moment, in the physical sense. We don't 'experience' the past in the present, though we may remember it. That actual 'moment' is part of the past. And the 'future', is something that practically, we can't 'experience', since again, our physical 'place' limits us to the present momentary experience. Even if we were 'in' the future, we would be 'present' in those future moments.

The point that I made is that christians might say this 'restriction' wouldn't apply to God.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm trying not to conceptualize time in terms of what it is in a physics book or on paper, I'm talking from humanity's literal physical 'experience' with time, and its limitations in that context.

I'm pretty sure that I agreed that conscious experience is in a perpetual present. My point was that taking into account developments in science and philosophy of time (generally rejecting absolute simultaneity) sort of ruins that I think. And it seems to entail something bordering on incoherency, namely that there is a conscious mind who can experience things, but even before and after they happen.

You did, my mistake. And perhaps it does border on incoherence, but for humanity to be a race of beings able to not only comprehend a passing of one moment to the next, but to apply concepts in physics and then posit that a person can theoretically travel throughout an inherently invisible dimension except on paper to a point in time where matter is set out differently and where events which the travelling subject has already experienced are yet to happen or vice versa isn't a far stretch from 'a conscious mind who can experience things even before and after they happen'.

If our ability ever catches up with our theories then it wouldn't be a far leap to presume something like this is possible.

And if such a thing is possible, who's to assume that it hasn't 'already been done', so to speak? I'm just saying that I can think of rational (using that word loosely) explanations for a belief in a God unbound by time's restrictions on man. I suppose it just depends how far we wan't to set the bar for what's possible. Ten dimensions and we know lots about three, a little about one and not a terrible lot about the rest.

[Bad Wolf]

I notice how GC has conveniently abandoned our argument knowing that he is wrong. I win!

[Cato]

God is timeless? Debatable, but certainly not cool enough to be a Time Lord!

[Bad Writer]

I notice how GC has conveniently abandoned our argument knowing that he is wrong. I win!

I imagine he simply forgot to respond. He never concedes defeat, as is evident by the deep holes that he digs for himself on many threads.

[Godscreated]

I notice how GC has conveniently abandoned our argument knowing that he is wrong. I win!

That's all you care about is winning, no matter how wrong you may be. I get tired of people who only care about winning and not learning.

GC

[Bad Wolf]

I don't hear a rebuttal!

[Bad Writer]

I notice how GC has conveniently abandoned our argument knowing that he is wrong. I win!

That's all you care about is winning, no matter how wrong you may be. I get tired of people who only care about winning and not learning.

GC

By all means. Show something that proves you are right.

[Foxaèr]

By all means. Show something that proves you are right.

He cannot, because his solution is for us to abandon reality for the sake of a primitive fairy tale.

[feeling]

By all means. Show something that proves you are right.

He cannot, because his solution is for us to abandon reality for the sake of a primitive fairy tale.

Also by looking at his signature he has an appeal to authority and scare tactics.

[WackyWicky]

If you really do understand what you are saying then answer me the following:
How do I test if something is timeless?

You can not be in London and Rome at the same time.
You and we humans are UNIdimensional not MULTIdimensional in nature but if we want to overcome this limitation then we will have to expand our consciousness.
It involve a lot of hard work and it also involve an open mind.
When you think that the life is finite and there is nothing outside this dimension and when you think that if God ever exist must be outside and not within then you start with the wrong foot and as i already said your chances to understand how the whole system works are zero.
There is not much difference between an atheist and a religious person.
Both of you are stuck in blind faith and dogma.
It will take a lot of time to find out what you are asking for but at the same time is all very very close to your life.
It is so close in fact that can not be any closer.
Search within with an open mind and you will find.

Huh? What the hell did he just say, anyone have any idea? If I was a semanticist I'd paraphrase the above as "Blah, blah....".

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I don't hear a rebuttal!

How about this:

God is timeless (first categorical statement [rebuts the second statement])
God is not timeless (second categorical statement [rebuts the first categorical statement])

The whole argument is moot: god isn't and time (some physicists suggest from theoretical mathematical testing) isn't.

If you put the second statement first and the first second then the first (second) would rebut the second (first). Fun, huh?

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"God is timeless" is something Christians spout all the time. Along with "God is both inside and outside time"

What does it even mean? Whenever I've asked for clarification none is given, they just expect you to accept this with no explanation. I'm coming at this with a background in physics.

Time is very difficult to understand and as far as I'm aware no one really does, though plenty of work is being done to establish it. It could well be that time is just an illusion.

I just don't understand what they can possibly mean. Anyone clear it up, or am I thinking about it in too much depth and it's just pseudo-scientific garbage with no meaning at all?

They gotcha, ya Doubting Thomas you are going to hell

The last sentence!