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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:16 pm)Sleepy Wrote: This guy said can't let it to run rampant because it's negative for society lol
It's still relative though, nobody decides
So, essentially your claim is that no atheist can give you an answer other than "because," with regards to this question, but when I just did give you an answer, your only response was to completely ignore it and mistake "lol" as an actual rebuttal. How much more dishonest can you get?
Quote:And from the atheist perspective
If rape was allowed the strong would control the weak
Modern society is based on morals though. That's why we don't follow the atheist relativity ideology
Why do you think you're qualified to tell us what we believe?
Quote:What about empathy for the individual attempting to spread his genes, and have a family. The weak got raped because he/she was weak. Survival of the fittest!
Since you've already been told that you're wrong about survival of the fittest, I guess that means you're lying now. Liar.
But also, empathy is about preventing harm and ensuring basic human rights for people: how is the rapist harmed by being prevented from raping? Sex isn't an assured right.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Sleepy Wrote: "It's wrong because I've got empathy"
What about empathy for the individual attempting to spread his genes, and have a family. The weak got raped because he/she was weak. Survival of the fittest!
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Survival of the fittest works in modern society that has morals as well.
a society that doesn't rape works better than a society that does.
Think about it.
Gorilla sexual selection is based on the biggest gorilla best at fighting gets to pass on his genetics to the next generation based on fighting off other gorillas and forcing himself on women.
Human sexual selection is based on social skills intelligence and so on.
Who is the most powerful?
I'm an atheist and I can see for practical reasons rape is bad for society and it's good for me to live in a civilization that has outlawed rape.
I don't need a quran or bible or torah to tell me these things.
Now I've given you clear evidence at least one atheist (me) can show you for practical reasons why they think rape is bad.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2013 at 12:27 pm by Sleepy.)
from the atheist evolutionary perspective
Women are physically weaker than men. A man can rape multiple women and have multiple children
The individual who said it's not as beneficial to humanity than is living with morals is correct. But even from the theist evolutionary perspective we are all competing with each other as well as to help each other.
Possible atheist perspective as everything is relative, not only perspective though
We care about ourselves not for the well being of others and want to reproduce, the well being of "society( formed by theists) " is not important as me first. Me me me.
The fact that such ideas of relativity even exist makes atheist illogical. What's more illogical is the atheists saying it's "wrong" because they're contradicting their entire foundation of being.
"a society that doesn't rape works better than a society that does."
That's true and obvious though relativism of atheists suggests different as well.
Think about it.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:28 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Sleepy Wrote: from the atheist evolutionary perspective
Women are physically weaker than men. A man can rape multiple women and have multiple children
The individual who said it's not as beneficial to humanity than is living with morals is correct. But even from the theist evolutionary perspective we are all competing with each other as well as to help each other.
Possible atheist perspective as everything is relative, not only perspective though
We care about ourselves not for the well being of others and want to reproduce, the well being of "society( formed by theists) " is not important as me first. Me me me.
The fact that such ideas of relativity even exist makes atheist illogical. What's more illogical is the atheists saying it's "wrong" because they're contradicting their entire foundation of being.
"a society that doesn't rape works better than a society that does."
That's true and obvious though relativism of atheists suggests different as well.
Think about it.
You're just starting to babble now, what do you mean? I just showed you why I think rape is wrong, you said you agree with me that rape is wrong. So why are you saying it is illogical for me to not like the idea of legalizing rape, I've just shown you the logic behind why rape is not allowed in society.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Sleepy still hasn't answered my question, has he? I'm going to ask again in big, red text so he can't miss it.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF ALLAH ORDERD YOU TO RAPE SOMEONE?
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Sleepy Wrote: "a society that doesn't rape works better than a society that does."
That's true and obvious though relativism of atheists suggests different as well.
Think about it.
You tell me why the relativism of atheists suggests that rape could improve a society.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Sleepy Wrote: from the atheist evolutionary perspective
Women are physically weaker than men. A man can rape multiple women and have multiple children. Haha! I'd like to see you try. I could take you, no problem.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
It's quite simple. Just because I think there are no objective morals that does not make me bound to let rapists rape. I can stop them if I want. Why? Because I want to.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:22 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: (December 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Sleepy Wrote: "It's wrong because I've got empathy"
What about empathy for the individual attempting to spread his genes, and have a family. The weak got raped because he/she was weak. Survival of the fittest!
THE BEAUTY OF ATHEIST RELATIVITY
Survival of the fittest works in modern society that has morals as well. I think we've made it pretty clear that morals don't come from religion. Since we, the atheists, are the ones arguing against rape? Dummy.
Actually you're not because you're atheistic relativity says rape is also ok.
You believe it's "wrong" though wrong an right is relative to you all.
You're making yourself sound foolish and you know this. You know your logic system is not flawed and you need to abandon it.
And why you getting mad about you not being my type. It's not a personal attack on you
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2013 at 12:31 pm by NoraBrimstone.)
(December 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Sleepy still hasn't answered my question, has he? I'm going to ask again in big, red text so he can't miss it.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF ALLAH ORDERED YOU TO RAPE SOMEONE? That's a silly question to put to someone who's already expressed intent to rape even without being told to. lol
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