Atheists condone and condemn rape

[Mystical]

A foetus has no rights. It doesn't gain any rights at all unless it grows into a baby and is born. Until then it is part of the host's body, which she has all rights too. I don't have sex for reproduction. I have sex for pleasure. I don't want to ruin my life with a smelly, noisy, shitty little demanding creature, so if something goes wrong and I do get pregnant, it's not welcome to stay and will be out by the end of the week. Simplez.

Even once the fetus can survive on its own without your body to support it? Once this point is reached at the fetus is viable, can survive without you, do you retain the right to kill it because it happens to be inside you?

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I'm totally in agreement with Nora, women can have sex and its no ones business.

When it becomes my business is when a woman gets pregnant and wants my tax money to pay for her doctors appointments, labs, the birth of the baby, and welfare support to raise that kid. Thats no ones responsibility but hers. Not to mention college if they even get that far. Kids are an inevitable result of sex. Sex was literally designed for procreation.
Have sex all you want. Just don't make me pay for it.
Thats how I feel but that's nit reality. People are going to have sex. Sex is a very important essence of society and humanity, and so are children--whether they were wanted or not. We as a society are responsible for eachother, to eachother. Standing on two opposite cliffs isn't going to bring you any closer to building a bridge, you have to start building it one piece at a time from your side to the other and meet in the middle.

I would argue that the point in which a foetus has formed nerves that allow it to feel pain, is the moment in which it becomes self aware and therefore a human being.
Nora says her pregnancy would be gone within a week. I'm perfectly fine with abortions up to 8wks (pain synapses form at 8-10 wks based on my sisters college medical textbook).

Sorry for the late reply, you guys post a lot very fast

[daandaan]

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I would argue that the point in which a foetus has formed nerves that allow it to feel pain, is the moment in which it becomes self aware and therefore a human being.
Nora says her pregnancy would be gone within a week. I'm perfectly fine with abortions up to 8wks (pain synapses form at 8-10 wks based on my sisters college medical textbook).

Sorry for the late reply, you guys post a lot very fast

yeah but the cortex, where the ``self awareness`` is located ...isnt active up till 26 weeks...

[Mystical]

Well seeing as how the dictionary requirement for a human being includes self awareness as a stipulation, I'd go with when it becomes self aware. So we're all in agreement? 20-26wk range? Except for Lion of course.. and Sleepy who was banished to his room..

[daandaan]

Well seeing as how the dictionary requirement for a human being includes self awareness as a stipulation, I'd go with when it becomes self aware. So we're all in agreement? 20-26wk range? Except for Lion of course.. and Sleepy who was banished to his room..

in our modern world where we have doctors and medical care whenever we want ...yes...lots of time to go to the doctor ...but how about woman in ``lesser`` places of the world?? or woman that dont even notice they are expecting ?? that happens too ..

i think the woman has to decide herself what to do, whenever to do it ...

[Mister Agenda]

Can't wait to sweep the floor with illogic, contradiction fuller, confused responses by many of the TOP members on here haha

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If you raped kittens that's no problem because everything is relative right?

When you make rubbish assertions the proper response is mockery, serious engagement with someone who posts ill-considered nonsense is either patient generosity or foolish optimism.

[daandaan]

Well seeing as how the dictionary requirement for a human being includes self awareness as a stipulation, I'd go with when it becomes self aware. So we're all in agreement? 20-26wk range? Except for Lion of course.. and Sleepy who was banished to his room..

oh and i cant remember to have self awareness when still beeing unborn ....how about that ...??

my first memories (i m Lucky i still have them ) r from half a year...

[TheBeardedDude]

Ok.

If America was going to have to have a state religion and you had the choice...

Which one would you pick.

Interesting. I would have to look into them a little bit more but I would be tempted to say buddhism.

[daandaan]

Ok.

If America was going to have to have a state religion and you had the choice...

Which one would you pick.

Interesting. I would have to look into them a little bit more but I would be tempted to say buddhism.

yeah and grouvel on ur knees in the shit for a bald guy in an orange dress...

[TheBeardedDude]

Interesting. I would have to look into them a little bit more but I would be tempted to say buddhism.

yeah and grouvel on ur kees in the shit for a bald guy dressed in an orange dress...

For the most part, the quotes I have seen from the Dahli lama (I have no idea if I spelled that correctly) sound pretty humanist-centered. They are not ideal (as I think secular is ideal) as they too have had their issues (they get bloody with muslims in the Philippines) but still, they have to be better than the catholics

[daandaan]

http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/arc..._long.html


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