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The Bible is the claim, not the evidence

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The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 4:24 am
I bet the Flintstones is on your serious scientific study list too huh Esq.
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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 4:27 am
(February 27, 2014 at 4:24 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I bet the Flintstones is on your serious scientific study list too huh Esq.

Mockery isn't an argument, but I take it by that comparison you're accepting that the bible too is a work of fiction? Thinking
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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 4:50 am
You know the point being made. I take it by your flippant reply that you concede.
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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 5:20 am
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If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 9:29 am (This post was last modified: February 27, 2014 at 9:31 am by Bad Writer.)
(February 27, 2014 at 4:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(February 27, 2014 at 1:10 am)Bad Writer Wrote: You're welcome to tell us why it's not a claim. Or are you just looking for a few high fives from a couple of theists for a snide comment you think is halfway clever on an atheist forum?

Is the bible filed under the science section in your library?


By your rhetorical response I take it that you believe the bible to be history because it was written as such? If you think this bars it from this kind of scrutiny, then you had better be prepared to accept other such books and stories as fact and evidence too, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh, Greek/Norse mythology, and even the Book of Mormon.
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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 10:08 am
I'm always mystified by the liberal Christian stance on the Wholly Babble. If its claims can't be defended and must be written off as metaphor, how can its larger claims about knowing the mind of God and the nature of the afterlife be relied upon?

Furthermore, if the whole story in Genesis is just a metaphor, then whence commeth the whole "fall from grace" that necessitated the redemptive sacrifice of Jesus, who himself believed in a literal Adam? No Garden of Eden means no fall. No fall means no Jesus. No Jesus means no Christianity. QED.
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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 10:20 am
(February 27, 2014 at 4:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Is the bible filed under the science section in your library?


One day.
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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 10:49 am
(February 27, 2014 at 10:20 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:
(February 27, 2014 at 4:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Is the bible filed under the science section in your library?


One day.

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If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 10:59 am (This post was last modified: February 27, 2014 at 10:59 am by Chas.)
(February 9, 2014 at 7:53 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(February 9, 2014 at 7:46 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Gotcha.... but are u saying that people believe that the jews got it right?

The Bible is only for people who believe in God to begin with and contains no arguments or evidence to convince an atheist. Therefore it can't be used as evidence for God it's only evidence for what God has to say if you already believe in God.

That may be the most intelligent and accurate comment you have ever made here.
(February 10, 2014 at 7:14 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(February 9, 2014 at 8:04 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Gotcha again.. but I believed in god when I was younger and never really read the bible. Then I finally did read the bible three times over and now I really dont believe theres a god...

You just ended up doing three revolutions of the wheel of atheist logic.

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RE: The Bible is the claim, not the evidence
February 27, 2014 at 11:02 am
(February 27, 2014 at 4:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You know the point being made. I take it by your flippant reply that you concede.

No, I really don't. Mostly because I don't for a minute think that you're actually stupid enough to think that reminding us that the bible isn't science absolves it from being a claim that requires investigation and justification. And I used to think that you were a fairly honest person as well, but if you're lowering yourself to this kind of diversionary tactic, then I guess your religion eventually robbed you of that trace of integrity too.

I had, for a small moment, hoped for a moment that you had some additional point that I just wasn't seeing. I was being charitable; thank you for correcting me on that.
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