Why We Are, and Forever Will Be, Imperfect

[fr0d0]

Likewise ...I think you're getting it

..we could have a double baptism

[theVOID]

Perfection is subjective.

[Edwardo Piet]

Fantasises 'just are'.... maybe....

Actually I'd say they do exist... just in our imaginations. But they exist differently to how we imagine them to exist of course. We haven't literally got a tiny personal paradise in our head, only our imagination of one. But the fantasy is our imagination, that's why it's a fantasy. And our imagination exists. So fantasises exist, in that sense - they exist in our heads. Just as God may 'exist' in our heads. But that is merely the concept of God, we haven't literally got a little god in our head. It's imagination.

Imagination is real too. And imagination exists. It's just... imaginary :p

EvF

[Purple Rabbit]

Perfection is subjective.

What about absolute perfection?

[Edwardo Piet]

Well that would be absolutely perfect, regardless of subjective opinion. But only if it exists, I guess?

EvF

[theVOID]

Perfection is subjective.

What about absolute perfection?

Perfect for who? As long as there is the notion that somethings flaws and defects can add an element to it or enhance it's appeal to someone then there can be no such thing.

[Edwardo Piet]

We cannot understand subjectively what absolute perfection would be. Because if it exists, presumably it would transcend our mere subjective understanding of 'perfection', for it is not subjective perfection, but absolute perfection.

So if we can't think how absolute perfection would be perfect, or 'who it would be perfect for?', that doesn't mean that absolute perfection cannot exist.

However, despite the fact that absolute perfection might somehow, exist, I have absolutely no idea how anyone can rationally believe it does without any evidence? And mere evidence for 'the absolute' isn't enough, for 'the absolute' requires absolute evidence (if we are to be rational), it requires proof. And since us mere mortals cannot have absolute evidence, we cannot have 'proof' outside the man-made field of mathematics, I don't see how it's possible that we can rationally believe in 'the absolute.' For it seems 'the absolute' is unfalsifiable, as is "God".

Now don't get me wrong, I like speculating - I just hope I didn't go 'over the top' in this post.

EvF

[Purple Rabbit]

Perfect for who? As long as there is the notion that somethings flaws and defects can add an element to it or enhance it's appeal to someone then there can be no such thing.

What you are decribing is not absolute perfection. So again, is absolute perfection subjective?

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We cannot understand subjectively what absolute perfection would be. Because if it exists, presumably it would transcend our mere subjective understanding of 'perfection', for it is not subjective perfection, but absolute perfection.

So if we can't think how absolute perfection would be perfect, or 'who it would be perfect for?', that doesn't mean that absolute perfection cannot exist.

I agree.

However, despite the fact that absolute perfection might somehow, exist, I have absolutely no idea how anyone can rationally believe it does without any evidence? And mere evidence for 'the absolute' isn't enough, for 'the absolute' requires absolute evidence (if we are to be rational), it requires proof. And since us mere mortals cannot have absolute evidence, we cannot have 'proof' outside the man-made field of mathematics, I don't see how it's possible that we can rationally believe in 'the absolute.' For it seems 'the absolute' is unfalsifiable, as is "God".

What is absolute evidence? I agree the absolute requires strong evidence, but when we are imperfect beings can we ever be certain that the evidence we got is absolute?

[Edwardo Piet]

It's subjective to "perfect" God and his incredibly 'special' non-existence

He is the only worthy subject(!) A pity he doesn't exist... NOT.

EvF

[theVOID]

Perfect for who? As long as there is the notion that somethings flaws and defects can add an element to it or enhance it's appeal to someone then there can be no such thing.

What you are decribing is not absolute perfection. So again, is absolute perfection subjective?

You misunderstood me.

Absolute perfection is not subjective by definition, the problem is that i doubt very much that such a thing could exist in any real sense outside of purely conceptual thought, so i for now reject the notion of Absolute perfection in favor of subjective interpretations.

It gets a little fuzzy in where to draw the line though, something can be perfect in a specific function, but when you are talking about something so absolutely perfect that there is no need for anything else at all then you need to account for all possible functions this perfection would have to have to be perfect, but you couldn't do it because of the contradictory claims that you would encounter.