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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 10, 2014 at 2:15 pm
(January 10, 2014 at 1:56 pm)truthBtold Wrote: (January 10, 2014 at 1:41 pm)JuliaL Wrote: I believe that there are, or at least could be, many more dimensions than the 3 or 4 which we can detect.
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The religionists will always have one more in which God can hide. I'm not so willing to go along there because they always seem to want to use this claim to push me around.
Atheism is a label.. not a world view Sorry, I don't understand. Can you please explain your comment?
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 10, 2014 at 2:19 pm
(January 8, 2014 at 10:02 pm)Sejanus Wrote: (January 8, 2014 at 9:58 pm)Napoléon Wrote: nor does it mean you disbelieve due to lack of evidence, as you reckon. Are there any other reasons not to believe in the existence of something? Contradictory evidence.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm
(January 10, 2014 at 2:15 pm)JuliaL Wrote: (January 10, 2014 at 1:56 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Atheism is a label.. not a world view Sorry, I don't understand. Can you please explain your comment?
Atheism: lack of belief in a god or gods... u can believe in other things.. personally I dont believe in super natural claims..
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 10, 2014 at 2:41 pm
(January 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm)truthBtold Wrote: (January 10, 2014 at 2:15 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Sorry, I don't understand. Can you please explain your comment?
Atheism: lack of belief in a god or gods... u can believe in other things.. personally I dont believe in super natural claims..
What does belief in other dimensions have to do with atheism?
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Sejanus Wrote:My question is this: are there any atheists on the forum who believe in anything for which there is no evidence?
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 10, 2014 at 2:53 pm
I tend to look askance at all claims of the supernatural. But that's just me.
I am an atheist because I find god claims ludicrous.
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm
(January 10, 2014 at 2:41 pm)JuliaL Wrote: (January 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Atheism: lack of belief in a god or gods... u can believe in other things.. personally I dont believe in super natural claims..
What does belief in other dimensions have to do with atheism?
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Sejanus Wrote:My question is this: are there any atheists on the forum who believe in anything for which there is no evidence?
Example?
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 10, 2014 at 3:09 pm
(January 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm)truthBtold Wrote: (January 10, 2014 at 2:41 pm)JuliaL Wrote: What does belief in other dimensions have to do with atheism?
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Example?
A 5th spacial dimension which allows propagation along an axis orthogonal to any we know allows a proliferation of Universes i.e. a multiverse.
Side note: an infinite number of randomly generated universes along with the weak anthropic principle nullifies the fine tuning argument.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 11, 2014 at 1:45 am
I am going to go ahead and state my craziest belief. I believe that people have seen objects that are genuinely unidentified flying objects and that these should be investigated via the scientific method with out preconceived notions about where they come from or what they are. Flak commence.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
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Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 11, 2014 at 3:46 am
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(January 8, 2014 at 9:54 pm)Sejanus Wrote: Around the forum from time to time, I've seen posts about how atheism is only the rejection of the god(s) claim. In such posts, people have said that it is possible to be an atheist and still be spiritual.
Atheism, in my understanding, is the lack of belief in god(s), due to the fact that there is no evidence for them.
My question is this: are there any atheists on the forum who believe in anything for which there is no evidence? because if you do, I hope you can see how this is intellectually dishonest.
Oh sure, I believe in loads of unsupported things. I believe my wife and dogs love me. Now I could give some list of traits associated with what is defined as "love" which they exhibit. But that would force me into an extreme, even cynical, position - which doesn't capture what I experience.
Likewise for what I believe about "myself". I have no rational reason to think I am anybody in particular -as opposed to a totally malleable cipher. But my experience has shown me that is an untenable position. My first person experience has shown me that who I am is something to be discovered rather than something to be chosen. Put another way, the criteria for what choices I do have are all based on facts about who I am. Of course, I can swim against the stream on some matters, but not everything.
I would encourage you not to paint yourself into a too confining rational corner. Your rational, conscious mind is a wonderful evolutionary development but it is a survival tool, not an existential one.
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RE: Things for which there is no evidence...
January 11, 2014 at 11:51 am
The OP is making a logical mistake, equating atheism and skepticism.
I am a skeptic, therefore I'm an atheist. Not vice versa.
In addition:
I am a realist, therefore I'm a secularist.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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