human creation in womb

[Violet]

A teacher must be patient with her students...

I don't think that Last Ray is beyond learning, although his religion deeply impedes his intellectual progress.

I still can be bothered with helping him learn... though I can see you've no interest in doing so, padriac

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I still can be bothered with helping him learn... though I can see you've no interest in doing so, padriac

Knock yourself out. I DID try.I pointed out that this is an atheist forum.That most people here do not believe in gods.That means we do not accept revealed truths.That we do not accept the Qur'an as an authority for anything;

I invited him to express his own ideas without reference to the Qur'an. He chose not to do that.

I don't pretend to be teacher,although I'm happy to share what I know with anyone who is interested. I always learn a lot. I have zero interest in some dickhead on a forum who doesn't want to learn,whom I don't know and don't care about.

[fr0d0]

"There is not a single statement contained in the Qur'an relating to modern embryology that was not well known through direct observation by the ancient Greek and Indian physicians many centuries before the Qur'an was written. Morever, much of what the Qur'an actually does say about embryology is scientifically inaccurate.

The ancient physicians' works were translated into Syriac in the century preceeding Muhammed, and were therefore accessible to non-Greek speakers.
We know that one of the Companions of the Prophet was a doctor who trained at the very same medical school that the Greek translations were kept and taught at. We even know that at least one of the verses which describes embryology, sura 23:14 contains the words of another of Muhammed's companions.

We are forced to conclude that, far from proving the alleged divine credentials of the Qur'an, its embryological statements actually provide further convincing evidence for its human origins."

- http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sci...mbryo.html

[Last_ Ray]

"There is not a single statement contained in the Qur'an relating to modern embryology that was not well known through direct observation by the ancient Greek and Indian physicians many centuries before the Qur'an was written. Morever, much of what the Qur'an actually does say about embryology is scientifically inaccurate.

The ancient physicians' works were translated into Syriac in the century preceeding Muhammed, and were therefore accessible to non-Greek speakers.
We know that one of the Companions of the Prophet was a doctor who trained at the very same medical school that the Greek translations were kept and taught at. We even know that at least one of the verses which describes embryology, sura 23:14 contains the words of another of Muhammed's companions.

We are forced to conclude that, far from proving the alleged divine credentials of the Qur'an, its embryological statements actually provide further convincing evidence for its human origins."

- http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sci...mbryo.html

Come professor Keith L. Moore, those people are going to teach you embryology . Dr. Keith you have destroyed your career when you said : Allah is existent . because many people hate to here this word " Allah "
((45. When Allah, alone, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust; but when (gods) other than He are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy! ))
Are you : baby , child , young , teen , adult , old person ?
You are a human and those are your stages in life .

Examination for you :
Which one is the butterfly ?


so your site is proving the scientific way of the holy Quran which used by science to describe each stage of all creations

the [ dust , clay , water , mud , …. ] are only a describing Adam's stages before Allah breathed into him of His spirit .

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Galen and prophet Mohammad :

Before I start the comparison , I must mention that Allah chosen Mohammad his prophet who can not read and can not write . to be the greatest challenge for humankind .


From the upper right
Galen : Geniture - an unformed white conceptus like semen
prophet Mohammad : We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed

Galen : A bloody vascularised foetus with brain, liver and heart
prophet Mohammad : Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood

Galen : Other features were mapped out but unformed
prophet Mohammad : ; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump

Galen : Puer - all the organs were well formed and joints were freely moveable.
prophet Mohammad : then we made out of that lump bones

Galen : …………………………………….
Prophet Mohammad : and clothed the bones with flesh;

Galen : …………………………………….
Prophet Mohammad : then produced it as another creation

((12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); 13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; 14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! )) Surah 23

[theVOID]

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"There is not a single statement contained in the Qur'an relating to modern embryology that was not well known through direct observation by the ancient Greek and Indian physicians many centuries before the Qur'an was written. Morever, much of what the Qur'an actually does say about embryology is scientifically inaccurate.

The ancient physicians' works were translated into Syriac in the century preceeding Muhammed, and were therefore accessible to non-Greek speakers.
We know that one of the Companions of the Prophet was a doctor who trained at the very same medical school that the Greek translations were kept and taught at. We even know that at least one of the verses which describes embryology, sura 23:14 contains the words of another of Muhammed's companions.

We are forced to conclude that, far from proving the alleged divine credentials of the Qur'an, its embryological statements actually provide further convincing evidence for its human origins."

- http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sci...mbryo.html

Come professor Keith L. Moore, those people are going to teach you embryology . Dr. Keith you have destroyed your career when you said : Allah is existent . because many people hate to here this word " Allah "
((45. When Allah, alone, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust; but when (gods) other than He are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy! ))
Are you : baby , child , young , teen , adult , old person ?
You are a human and those are your stages in life .

Examination for you :
Which one is the butterfly ?


so your site is proving the scientific way of the holy Quran which used by science to describe each stage of all creations

the [ dust , clay , water , mud , …. ] are only a describing Adam's stages before Allah breathed into him of His spirit .

------------------------------------------------

Galen and prophet Mohammad :

Before I start the comparison , I must mention that Allah chosen Mohammad his prophet who can not read and can not write . to be the greatest challenge for humankind .


From the upper right
Galen : Geniture - an unformed white conceptus like semen
prophet Mohammad : We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed

Galen : A bloody vascularised foetus with brain, liver and heart
prophet Mohammad : Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood

Galen : Other features were mapped out but unformed
prophet Mohammad : ; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump

Galen : Puer - all the organs were well formed and joints were freely moveable.
prophet Mohammad : then we made out of that lump bones

Galen : …………………………………….
Prophet Mohammad : and clothed the bones with flesh;

Galen : …………………………………….
Prophet Mohammad : then produced it as another creation

((12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); 13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; 14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! )) Surah 23

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Your ignorance is astounding - it has been repeatedly shown to you here on this thread how man knew about Embryology before Mohammad ever lived yet you still act as if you'd made a valid point...]


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Thanks Darwinian I was using /show

[Joe Bloe]

Let's get back to basics:
(1) Describe your god
(2) Prove it exists
Until you've got that sorted out, I can't be bothered considering the "spooky" elements contained your holy book.

[Edwardo Piet]

And if you can't prove your God, Last Ray, then at least provide some evidence

EvF

[theVOID]

Muslim arguments are quite different to Christian ones, at least the Christians don't try to pass off Ancient Greek and Roman knowledge as their own and claim that the only way it could have been known is a supreme being's revelation.

[Last_ Ray]

Muslim arguments are quite different to Christian ones, at least the Christians don't try to pass off Ancient Greek and Roman knowledge as their own and claim that the only way it could have been known is a supreme being's revelation.

Because Christianity are not that different than Greek's faith . Christianity is a multi faiths from : [ heavenly , Greek , Romans , pagan ] religions . this was one of the main reasons for the appearance of atheism in Europe . war against Churches heresy which was against sciences .

But for Islam the situation is different :

All thoughts and beliefs have crashed in front of Islam , always the result Islam the winner because the case in Islam : prove then believe . Islam welcomes sciences and thinking .
Yes there are atheists and seculars among Muslims but they are not effective on the Islamic nation .

[theVOID]

Muslim arguments are quite different to Christian ones, at least the Christians don't try to pass off Ancient Greek and Roman knowledge as their own and claim that the only way it could have been known is a supreme being's revelation.

Because Christianity are not that different than Greek's faith . Christianity is a multi faiths from : [ heavenly , Greek , Romans , pagan ] religions . this was one of the main reasons for the appearance of atheism in Europe . war against Churches heresy which was against sciences .

But for Islam the situation is different :

All thoughts and beliefs have crashed in front of Islam , always the result Islam the winner because the case in Islam : prove then believe . Islam welcomes sciences and thinking .
Yes there are atheists and seculars among Muslims but they are not effective on the Islamic nation .

If Islam welcomes science then where is your evidence for Allah? Where is your evidence that Muhammad was ever on a winged horse? Oh wait, you don't have any, you just have ancient books and hearsay like any other religion...

Want to know why i think Islam is worse than Christianity? Because unlike Mohammad, Jesus did not have sex with an 8 year old girl.