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God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
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God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
Hello

Self esteem is probably the biggest pillar in any "explanation" process ; in other words : the more you believe and trust in your abilities, the more credibility you get.
Heck, a person coming to you "shaking" and crying yet scream "I'M NOT SCARED" is of course giving a big blow to her/his credibility !

One thing that made me believe in Islam is the self esteem God has. Throughout the Quran, there is a constant theme : either you believd or not, god will exist, he always existed, he always shall.

This verse is one example of this theme :
( 28 ) He said, "O my people have you considered: if I should be upon clear evidence from my Lord while He has given me mercy from Himself but it has been made unapparent to you, should we force it upon you while you are averse to it? page 224, Quran.

That is what Noah told his people when they wanted to kick him and his followers out for believing in god.
He had clear orders not to force faith upon anybody because simply : god is not begging for believers !

Another verse :
( 8 ) And Moses said, "If you should disbelieve, you and whoever is on the earth entirely - indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy." page 256, Quran.

Well, it's humans who need to believe in god, not god needing believers. But the problem is : humans were created to live with a free will, you cannot live with a free will unless you believe in god..

In other words : a free will without a code of ethics led humans to invent atomic weapons, agent orange, napalm, WMDs. And now, the world sits on a boiling oven, just because of this unrestrained free will.

Islam's cause is to restrain and refine this free will, so life can go on peacefully.
No wonder god called those who have free will without proper constraints as blind, mute & deff in thought.

I'm not saying non Muslims have no ethics. Never said that. The Quran also never said that.. but give em more time. They'll give up these ethics or change them as time goes by, because simply these ethics aren't holly.

History proves how humans changed ethics through time ; what was a taboo yesterday isn't today ; what is not a taboo back then became a taboo now.
The LGBT debate nowadays is one big example.

So, that is what it's all about. Believe or not, god is not in need for your faith.
Instead, he created us, honored us, gave us blessings from A to Z, along with one fine free will. Each follows what he/she wants.

As a believer in Islam, I love getting my free will contaminated by Islam's laws. Not the extremist laws which are built upon fake "Hadiths" and scholar opinions, but the pure ones mentioned in the Quran only.

Thanks for reading : )
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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
Society is ever changing, thus ethics change with it. Some people seem to believe Allah want them to convert people by the sword. Kill people who don't conform. Not that Yahweh didn't also say that in the bible. This Abrahamic god seems to have some need, otherwise he wouldn't react so violently against those that displease him. Not everything that displeases this god is evil. Homosexuality isn't evil. It's just two consenting adults doing what they want because they want to. Killing someone for tidying up their yard on the wrong day is wrong. killing children for the crimes of their parents is wrong. Torturing your followers to see how loyal they remain is wrong.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
If god doesn't need believers, why did he create human beings?
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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
(July 16, 2014 at 3:00 pm)AtlasS Wrote: But the problem is : humans were created to live with a free will, you cannot live with a free will unless you believe in god..

Erm what?

(July 16, 2014 at 3:00 pm)AtlasS Wrote: In other words : a free will without a code of ethics led humans to invent atomic weapons, agent orange, napalm, WMDs. And now, the world sits on a boiling oven, just because of this unrestrained free will.

Because muslims don't do violence right?
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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOyQhgM1FU
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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
I'm not really a fan of the inclusivist theology.

According to Vatican II, Atlas, you're also a Catholic if you act like one. So, salve puer meus.
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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
Islam is as big a steaming turd as all the rest.
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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
(July 16, 2014 at 3:12 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Society is ever changing, thus ethics change with it. Some people seem to believe Allah want them to convert people by the sword. Kill people who don't conform. Not that Yahweh didn't also say that in the bible. This Abrahamic god seems to have some need, otherwise he wouldn't react so violently against those that displease him. Not everything that displeases this god is evil. Homosexuality isn't evil. It's just two consenting adults doing what they want because they want to. Killing someone for tidying up their yard on the wrong day is wrong. killing children for the crimes of their parents is wrong. Torturing your followers to see how loyal they remain is wrong.

It's not a need TBH, it is for the sake of mankind itself. In concept ; defying god corrupts the universe ; resulting so many miseries to creations. That's why Allah gets angry when people defy his laws.

How I see it is that, Yahweh created hell so those who caused pain in this life suffer the pain they caused to others. Causing pain and corruption to others is what makes the lord angry ; it's not a need he wants to satisfy.

Sometimes people don't see how they hurt others by things they think "normal", while in reality, they caused unimaginable pain to others.

Just like that guy whom god blessed with a beautiful loving mate, yet he still insist on cheating on her or go watch porn behind her back. Vise versa to the naughty lady. Sometimes it gives people depression that leads to suicide. God in this case gets angry because he knows the pain that person A caused to his mate, for not following the rules of god by staying away from lust & sexual thinking.

Homosexuality was given here as an example of a taboo that was broken; just like stating religion as a new taboo in many countries with large atheist population.
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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
(July 16, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Islam is as big a steaming turd as all the rest.
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RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
The problem with hell is that it isn't for bad people. It's for people who displease Yahweh. While these two groups may overlap, they aren't the same. Jeffrey Dahmer is supposedly in heaven, while Anne Frank isn't. The only case I could make for Hitler being in hell is that he decided to commit suicide. Otherwise he was a catholic, and presumably said the right things to the right god.

I believe following the laws of this god has caused more harm than good.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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