Is There a Scientific Basis for an Afterlife?

[Purple Rabbit]

You don't need convincement, nor logic, you only need belief.
I'll count you in then?

No sorry I need to rationalise first. Why make an exception here? How can I?

You have to choose fr0d0. If you want to use reason to assess a world view you must allow reason to assess christianity. If you want to refrain from reason and instead value belief as a valid and sufficient instrument of assessment, you can believe any world view you like, including Rabbitism. The point is that belief supplies no instrument to compare different beliefs since it requires unconditional acceptance of dogma. And acceptance of dogma from two religions generally leads to severe contradicton. Since you now require reason to assess Rabbitism, but accept belief as a sufficient means to assess christianity you are applying double standards.

[fr0d0]

A baseless assertion VOID?

LOL @ "spineless and intellectually dishonest" ..I am honoured indeed

On the contrary I thought you'd have high hopes for me as I've obviously proved that I can rationalise beyond what is plainly obvious.

(BTW I'm glad you changed your sig - you did look a pratt )



@ Rabbit

How dull. Of course I use rationality to assess Christianity. How could I not? Just because you fail to understand something does not mean that it can't be so. I grant you the right to hold your particular bastardisation of reality. Why not honour me with the same respect?

[theVOID]

A baseless assertion VOID?

LOL @ "spineless and intellectually dishonest" ..I am honoured indeed

On the contrary I thought you'd have high hopes for me as I've obviously proved that I can rationalise beyond what is plainly obvious.

(BTW I'm glad you changed your sig - you did look a pratt )

Yes entirely baseless - feel free to prove me wrong.

You have managed to convince yourself of something that you have absolutely no honest way of knowing - so no frodo; my hopes for you rationalizing something is about as low as they could possibly get.

[fr0d0]

Thanks I'll feel no obligation to answer nothing then

[theVOID]

Thanks I'll feel no obligation to answer nothing then

Because you can't answer with anything you honestly know as true, that's the point. Go hide in your mental fantasy some more mate, we'll be waiting for you over here in reality when you are done fooling yourself.

[fr0d0]

Hmm yeah... c'mon then 'mr reality'... what is the answer to nothing?

[Edwardo Piet]

I know of no evidence for an afterlife, scientific evidence or 'otherwise'.

And on the subject of consciousness... it is self-evident to us that we are conscious, and there is plenty of evidence that the brain it seems, is required for consciousness. Now, where is the evidence that consciousness is something separate to the brain in any way? Where is the evidence that it has a specific location or locations in the brain? In other words, where is the evidence that consciousness isn't merely anything more than the workings of the brain? Because, I know of evidence of the brain, and I know of evidence of consciousness (my own self-evidence at least...) - but where's the evidence that consciousness is some additional factor? Can consciousness not be whichever part(s) of the brain are most aware at the current time?

Sorry if I haven't been very clear, I'm having trouble phrasing this, at least at the moment.

EvF

[theVOID]

Hmm yeah... c'mon then 'mr reality'... what is the answer to nothing?

Nothing, being what it is, can have no answer because it is NOTHING. This is why i don't have confidence in your reasoning frodo, when you ask such self-evident questions.

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I know of no evidence for an afterlife, scientific evidence or 'otherwise'.

And on the subject of consciousness... it is self-evident to us that we are conscious, and there is plenty of evidence that the brain it seems, is required for consciousness. Now, where is the evidence that consciousness is something separate to the brain in any way? Where is the evidence that it has a specific location or locations in the brain? In other words, where is the evidence that consciousness isn't merely anything more than the workings of the brain? Because, I know of evidence of the brain, and I know of evidence of consciousness (my own self-evidence at least...) - but where's the evidence that consciousness is some additional factor? Can consciousness not be whichever part(s) of the brain are most aware at the current time?

Sorry if I haven't been very clear, I'm having trouble phrasing this, at least at the moment.

EvF

Nope, sounds fine to me.

[Purple Rabbit]

How dull. Of course I use rationality to assess Christianity. How could I not? Just because you fail to understand something does not mean that it can't be so. I grant you the right to hold your particular bastardisation of reality. Why not honour me with the same respect?

Suit yourself. I am not prohibiting anyone to have private beliefs. You can excercise your freaky beliefs and even torment humanity with it on this site. I will even respond to it with argument. If you are using rationality to asses christianity then how do you reconcile biblical account with the fossil record, an all-good all-powerfull god with kid cancer, the fact that Nazareth did not exist in Jesus' time, the evidence that moral naturally arises in primate groups with the account of divinely provided absolute moral, the fact that our universe is 13.7 billion year old and that it took several billion years to form earth with the biblical account in which it took seven days. Don't kid yourself that belief has any bearing on understanding. I respect you as a person, as my replies to you on AF account for, but I do not feel any need or obligation to show respect for opinions I do not adhere to. IMO the concepts of christianity and faith amount to intellectual dishonesty and moral perversion. Why should I show respect for that?

[fr0d0]

You mistakenly align me with some strange literalist interpretations. As I hope you will appreciate there is no reason for me to address those. Or were you being deliberately childish perhaps?

It is with your own twisted interpretation you seek to hang me. Perhaps you should look a little closer to home? Me I shall stick with my best effort unless something better should present itself amid this dross.