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A request to fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Our resident - and most active - theist, fr0d0, has said quite a few times now - including to me on MSN - that he doesn't believe God 'exists', or he believes that his existent is "irrelevant"... and that God "just "IS" ".
Here is a thread where I say to fr0d0...
"Please elaborate on this..."
What do you actually mean fr0d0? How can God be anything at all, how does it make sense to say he "just IS", without you actually believing he exists?
How can something "be" without existing?
Do you not believe that "God" is anything more than a concept, or a fantasy, imaginary?
How can he really be anything more than that without existing?
Fr0dester - Please do elaborate...
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Fr0d0 has never been consistent or clear in his explanations of what he believes, you expect that to change? o.o()
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Nah... I just want to see what he has to say for himself.
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Wait wait wait, so he Believes in God in terms as uncertain as a Deist yet still considers himself Christian?
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Yuk at the thread title LOL
& thanks E! I have been consistent, and I don't see why my opinions can't change if my beliefs do... how strange of you to set that anchor.
The discussion on MSN was about Evie's understanding of 'exist'. As I've said repeatedly, God just 'is'. And I'm cogitating on that idea.
Evie accepts that this existence would encompass a transcendent, timeless entity.
What more is there to say??
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 2:03 pm
And how do you know with any level of honest and certainty that God exists at all in any form?
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 3:05 pm
You can't which is the point.
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 3:29 pm
As I have said, I understand what you mean if you say he exists but he is transcendent... but to say he doesn't even exist and yet still 'IS' makes no sense whatsoever. How can anything 'be' anything without it existing?
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 3:30 pm
(This post was last modified: November 30, 2009 at 3:30 pm by Purple Rabbit.)
fr0d0,
Are you a Heideggerian? The man has devoted a lifetime to come up with homonyms and synonyms of "to be" and the resemblance with your mystical quote is striking. Please do elaborate.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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RE: An asking of fr0d0 to elaborate
November 30, 2009 at 3:49 pm
(This post was last modified: November 30, 2009 at 3:51 pm by fr0d0.)
Never heard of the bloke Rabbit. At your attempt at marginalisation: the former Bishop of Oxford Richard Harries last night said the exact same thing (that God is non 'existant'). As both he and Charles Moore also said, modern Atheists and Christian fundamentalists feed off each other and there is very little understanding of what actual mainstream Christianity, practiced by 99% of Christians, is about.
@ Evie does an essence exist? And if so, how?
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