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I don't agree with late term abortions. You compared getting abortions to what Yahweh supposedly did in the old testament and so forth. Even if we take into account later term abortions or even babies who get abandoned right after birth, that's still not nearly as bad as what Yahweh did.
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February 16, 2014 at 12:55 am (This post was last modified: February 16, 2014 at 1:00 am by Drich.)
(February 15, 2014 at 4:57 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:
Quote: an abortion (just FYI it's the same as killing a baby)
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. An abortion is an abortion. Killing a baby is killing a baby. Unless you can't tell the difference between a cluster of cells with no neurological system and a functioning juvenile human this comment is just ridiculous.
If Christians cared more about accuracy and less about cool sounding soundbites people might take us more seriously.
(February 16, 2014 at 12:45 am)Chad32 Wrote: I don't agree with late term abortions. You compared getting abortions to what Yahweh supposedly did in the old testament and so forth. Even if we take into account later term abortions or even babies who get abandoned right after birth, that's still not nearly as bad as what Yahweh did.
No, I am comparing killing babies with killing babies. If God orders the destruction of a whole people He knows what impact it has on world events. We we kill babies, we are shirking responsiablity.
I am also pointing to the fact that hypocrites seldom if ever check to note the blood on their hands before they look for it any place else.
Take the Plank out of your Eye, before you try and remove the speck from someone else.
February 16, 2014 at 1:02 am (This post was last modified: February 16, 2014 at 1:02 am by Minimalist.)
Quote:Maybe I can't imagine how such a strong directive would ever be given.
Really, Frods?
Quote:Genesis 22
22 Some time later, God tested Abraham’s faith. “Abraham!” God called.
“Yes,” he replied. “Here I am.”
2 “Take your son, your only son—yes, Isaac, whom you love so much—and go to the land of Moriah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will show you.”
(February 16, 2014 at 12:55 am)Drich Wrote: No, I am comparing killing babies with killing babies. If God orders the destruction of a whole people He knows what impact it has on world events. We we kill babies, we are shirking responsiablity.
Ahh, more of that hysterical demanding that fetuses are babies. Such a cogent argument!
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February 16, 2014 at 3:51 am (This post was last modified: February 16, 2014 at 4:03 am by Jacob(smooth).)
(February 16, 2014 at 12:55 am)Drich Wrote: [quote='Jacob(smooth)' pid='603680' dateline='1392454671']
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. An abortion is an abortion. Killing a baby is killing a baby. Unless you can't tell the difference between a cluster of cells with no neurological system and a functioning juvenile human this comment is just ridiculous.
If Christians cared more about accuracy and less about cool sounding soundbites people might take us more seriously. http://youtu.be/-WiQNPk_2G8
Not really an answer there. Let me try to state the issue a bit more clearly.
this
Is a fertilized human embryo, which never embedded because the parent was using an IUD.
this
Is a fetus at 8 weeks. It would look pretty similar if it was a monkey. A very basic neurological system, still no more ability to reason than a hampster.
this
Is a fetus at 35 weeks. Many thousands of these get born every year.
And just for a baseline, this
Is an baby, dashed on rocks (disturbing image, I wouldn't look).
Now, here is the tricky bit...
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!!!!!
A statement like "abortion is the same as killing babies" conflates killing all of the above as essentially the same. And its not. Its really not. Most people agree that the last two are wrong (well, the last one is OK if God told us to do it but you get the point). Most people agree that the first is OK (else iuds would "kill more babies" than every abortion clinic on the planet). So there is a sensible debate to be had about what stage in between is OK. A debate which can't happen all the time we try to convince the world a single cell is the same as a viable fetus.
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(February 14, 2014 at 11:54 pm)Drich Wrote: I've got a question that I ask when atheist ask a stupid question like this.
What you mean is, you've got a dodge for the question that would only satisfy someone like yourself. But, go on.
Quote:If your girlfriend told you the she was prego, and you had to pay for 18 years of child support or pay for an abortion (just FYI it's the same as killing a baby) which would you choose?
It would be up to her. It is not my choice to make.
Quote:Somehow God is a monster for ordering the deaths of say 100? 1000 ? A million? people total?? but 'we' are justified to have killed a billion plus babies, (since 1980) and the number still is climbing. all in the name of a woman's right to choose..
So, it's okay that God does it because man does it? Yet, somehow, we're not as righteous.
Quote:We are told to judge not LEST we can be judged using that very same measure. If your swing the baby killer sword at God know it is double edged, especially if you are a pro choicer.
We aren't perfectly omnipotent and omniscient beings alleged to be the source of right and wrong. Apparently, your god isn't either, since you insist on holding that god to lower standards than you expect out of your fellow man.
Now that we have that bullshit out of the way, answer the question, Drich: would you obey any command from God, regardless of what it is?
February 16, 2014 at 6:16 am (This post was last modified: February 16, 2014 at 6:18 am by fr0d0.)
(February 16, 2014 at 1:02 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Maybe I can't imagine how such a strong directive would ever be given.
Really, Frods?
Quote:Genesis 22
22 Some time later, God tested Abraham’s faith. “Abraham!” God called.
“Yes,” he replied. “Here I am.”
2 “Take your son, your only son—yes, Isaac, whom you love so much—and go to the land of Moriah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will show you.”
Seems childishly easy, doesn't it?
No
How are you convinced that a disembodied voice is God?
(February 15, 2014 at 4:57 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. An abortion is an abortion. Killing a baby is killing a baby. Unless you can't tell the difference between a cluster of cells with no neurological system and a functioning juvenile human this comment is just ridiculous.
If Christians cared more about accuracy and less about cool sounding soundbites people might take us more seriously.
(February 16, 2014 at 12:45 am)Chad32 Wrote: I don't agree with late term abortions. You compared getting abortions to what Yahweh supposedly did in the old testament and so forth. Even if we take into account later term abortions or even babies who get abandoned right after birth, that's still not nearly as bad as what Yahweh did.
No, I am comparing killing babies with killing babies. If God orders the destruction of a whole people He knows what impact it has on world events. We we kill babies, we are shirking responsiablity.
I am also pointing to the fact that hypocrites seldom if ever check to note the blood on their hands before they look for it any place else.
Take the Plank out of your Eye, before you try and remove the speck from someone else.
Somehow I'd rather not take the word of someone that claims their god is good, when its actions paint the picture of a narcissistic psychopath. If you want to accuse me of being a hypocrite, that's fine. I know I'm not perfect, and I never claim to be. I still think I'm better than Yahweh. I don't kill people for not worshiping me, whether I exert power over them or not, and I don't think I should turn myself in for murder or rape just because those thoughts have crossed my mind in the past.
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(February 16, 2014 at 12:39 am)Drich Wrote: There have been 1.2 billion abortions since 1980
I personally have jettisoned a billion times that number of potential offspring since xmas. Don't be such a cunt - nobody's arguing that abortion doesn't happen.
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