The redneck strike again.

[Little Rik]

How would we know whether a wild animal living in the wild died of a CV problem? Out of interest enrico, do you have a source for that?

I'm guessing Intuitional science again. It makes sense to me ergo it's true?

You don't really need intuitional science to know that if you put a wild animal in a cage it will get sick.
By the way your statement is incorrect.
The wild dog in question was living in a cage not in the wild.

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Your stupidity is behind belief.
Your link say............A 9-year-old apparently healthy male African wild dog (Lycaon pictus) was found dead in its
enclosure at the De Wildt Cheetah and Wildlife Centre...........
What this means?
It means that when you take a wild dog inside a cage it is natural that the poor dog will get sick.
Is really important to know how the body-mind of the dog reacted and what is the disease that originate from that captivity?
All you do is try to divert the issue which is that if you leave the wild animals alone under normal condition they want get sick.

So: I've provided scientific evidence that there is at least one species of wild dog that gets heart disease. Now where's your scientific evidence that wild dogs in the wild don't get heart disease?

To be clear, I don't need to run when you're not chasing me: you haven't established even a single thread of your claim, whereas I've provided at least one hundred percent more evidence than you that you're wrong.
Is this an evidence thing, or an intuitional science thing, moron?

It must be my fault then.
I didn't know that i am talking with idiots that can not understand that when i say wild dogs or wild animals i mean wild animals living in the wild not inside cages.
My deep apologies to idiots.

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I already show you the reference and that is coming from uni scholars.
A step higher as far as knowledge there is God but is not much good for an atheist, isn't it?
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/Anne...sino.shtml

That is the same reference you posted as before which shows that the human intestines are around 7 to 8 m in length, and therefore are around 4 to 5 times the length of the human body. According to table you posted before from the vegan sceptic site that would make us omnivores.

The link say.........."The human intestine is ten times longer than the length of the body,... It's minimum length is 507, its maximum length 1194 centimeters (17 to 35 feet);... so how did you work out that insted it is 4-5 times?

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Here i got a very interesting link (all peer of course).
Here we are all involved.

http://christwire.org/2012/03/vegetarian...-morality/

[Esquilax]

Your stupidity is behind belief.
Your link say............A 9-year-old apparently healthy male African wild dog (Lycaon pictus) was found dead in its
enclosure at the De Wildt Cheetah and Wildlife Centre...........
What this means?
It means that when you take a wild dog inside a cage it is natural that the poor dog will get sick.
Is really important to know how the body-mind of the dog reacted and what is the disease that originate from that captivity?
All you do is try to divert the issue which is that if you leave the wild animals alone under normal condition they want get sick.

So: I've provided scientific evidence that there is at least one species of wild dog that gets heart disease. Now where's your scientific evidence that wild dogs in the wild don't get heart disease?

To be clear, I don't need to run when you're not chasing me: you haven't established even a single thread of your claim, whereas I've provided at least one hundred percent more evidence than you that you're wrong.

Is this an evidence thing, or an intuitional science thing, moron?

[Bad Wolf]

Your stupidity is behind belief.
Your link say............A 9-year-old apparently healthy male African wild dog (Lycaon pictus) was found dead in its
enclosure at the De Wildt Cheetah and Wildlife Centre...........
What this means?
It means that when you take a wild dog inside a cage it is natural that the poor dog will get sick.
Is really important to know how the body-mind of the dog reacted and what is the disease that originate from that captivity?
All you do is try to divert the issue which is that if you leave the wild animals alone under normal condition they want get sick.

So what specific factors about captivity, contributed to this dogs disease and death? Was it the walls perhaps? Or was it the food they gave them? Or maybe it was because of how old the dog lived to be, just like the report said.

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Here i got a very interesting link (all peer of course).
Here we are all involved.

http://christwire.org/2012/03/vegetarian...-morality/

Do you mean peer reviewed? No, that isn't peer review. Have you read my explanation of what peer review is? Cause it doesn't look like you did, if you think that has been peer-reviewed.

[James2014]

The link say.........."The human intestine is ten times longer than the length of the body,... It's minimum length is 507, its maximum length 1194 centimeters (17 to 35 feet);... so how did you work out that insted it is 4-5 times?

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Here i got a very interesting link (all peer of course).
Here we are all involved.

http://christwire.org/2012/03/vegetarian...-morality/

Firstly, that was not a scientific study but a quote from a textbook from 1889! All the other sources and the conclusion of the source you cite, ie the actual website, says the length of the human intestine is between 7 and 8m.

To quote from your source..."the average length of the human intestine can be anywhere from 6 to 8.5 meters in length depending on size and age of the person it occupies."

or again "the length of the entire human intestine can range from 7.5 to 8.5 meters (25 to 28 feet)."

or again "The small intestine in adults is a long and narrow tube about 7 meters (23 feet) long. The large intestine is so called because it is wide in diameter. However, it is shorter than the small intestine - only about 1.5 meters (5 feet) long."


Secondly, some simple maths can show you are wrong. Lets say the average length of the intestine is as you say around 12m. No lets say the average height is 1.6m, that would still only mean the intestines are 7.5 times the length of the body, way below the lower boundary of the length of a herbivores intestine, which according to the vegan sceptic site is around 10 times the body.

Thirdly, It says minimum length is only 5m, so surely that would mean according to your logic that some humans must be omnivores right, as an intestine length of 5m would mean it is only around 3 times the length of the body.

[Cinjin]

Let me say that i do not refer to farmers that burn their necks in the sun.
I instead refer to people who are opposed to modern ways but most of all they can't see past the end of their own nose.
Take the smokers.
Now (in the western countries) these rednecks are under control but 20-30 years ago they were smoking almost everywhere and if you object to their stench they would talk about their freedom or similar garbage.
That fight has been won but other fights still have to be won.
The meat policy is even more important as the damages that cause are even bigger in quantity.
Just few days ago one poster write..........If you want to eat meat, eat meat. If you don't want to eat meat, don't eat meat........Why is this so fucking difficult for some people? ...........
http://atheistforums.org/thread-23157-page-87.html
Well, as far as this policy wouldn't involve any restriction to my freedom or damage the planet earth then you are welcome.
Unfortunately it does involve both that is why when someone freedom limit other people freedom it is important to stop these rednecks.
The damages done so far from meat eating are more and more clear as the forests disappear and climate change for the worse.
Man was never build up to be omnivore as we can see from the different body (teeth, jaw, length of stomach and different acids to digest food) so by going against nature it is clear that damages will occur.
Considering that so many people agree with the redneck policy it is clear that it will take sometime to put these rednecks inside the corral of insanity but the choices don't give much leeway.
If we want to survive and if we can give our future generation a better world then we have to stop these rednecks as soon as possible.

[Esquilax]

So what specific factors about captivity, contributed to this dogs disease and death? Was it the walls perhaps? Or was it the food they gave them? Or maybe it was because of how old the dog lived to be, just like the report said.

Here's the thing, and it's why it's so clear that what enrico is doing is rationalizing with no basis in fact: He doesn't know.

How could he? He's got no veterinary expertise, no idea of the conditions the animal was kept in, no idea what the disease itself is, and no idea what caused it to form in the animal besides what's in the report, which is something that contradicts what he's saying!

Enrico's posts on this issue are, top to bottom, absolute bullshit made up to avoid just admitting that he said something incorrect, and the fact that instead of providing evidence like I asked in my last post he chose to insult me, speaks volumes on this issue.

[Little Rik]

......some simple maths can show you are wrong. Lets say the average length of the intestine is as you say around 12m. No lets say the average height is 1.6m, that would still only mean the intestines are 7.5 times the length of the body, way below the lower boundary of the length of a herbivores intestine, which according to the vegan sceptic site is around 10 times the body.

The more you look at different sites and the more you find different results.
All the sites that i have looked at say that it is 10 times the body length but also your maths make sense
so you may well be correct on this point.
One thing i would like to ask you.
1) Fruits seem to be the easier digested food for humans.
Does this means that our body is best suited for a frugivore diet or it is just a coincidence?
2) I was saying that meat eating animals do not get cardiovascular diseases while humans get it.
Some people here brought the example of a wild dog that get such a disease. This wild dog was kept in captivity.
Do you think it does make sense to take a wild dog kept in captivity to contradict me?
I rely on your maths to get enlightened.
Thanks.

[Rahul]

Homo sapiens distant ancestors were frugivores. But eating meat made us human.

[Little Rik]

He's got no veterinary expertise, no idea of the conditions the animal was kept in, no idea what the disease itself is, and no idea what caused it to form in the animal besides what's in the report, which is something that [i]contradicts what he's saying!

How ignorant can a person be!!!
You are the one who introduce this so called evidence that a wild dog can get diseased.
You just get this story and spat it up on this thread without even read it properly.
If you would have read it and your brain was function it properly you would have understood that a wild dog kept in captivity can not possibly be a good example.
But what can we expect from a brainy head like you?

Enrico's posts on this issue are, top to bottom, absolute bullshit made up to avoid just admitting that he said something incorrect, and the fact that instead of providing evidence like I asked in my last post he chose to insult me, speaks volumes on this issue.

1) All you did is to provide evidence that a wild dog KEPT IN CAPTIVITY got sick.
Does this has got any thing to do with the fact that we are talking about wild animals living in the wild and not in captivity?
How can you be so stupid!

2) Insulting you?
Is your brain stuck on your head or up in the clouds?
After swearing to me and call me moron you say that i insult you for calling you idiot and imbecile?
Get real boy.

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Homo sapiens distant ancestors were frugivores. But eating meat made us human.

Are you saying that if we never eat meat we would be non-human?
How would you know that if we continue to be frugivore we wouldn't be even more intelligent and smart?
Did you make any experiment about the issue?
You should take two hominids and feed one with a frugivore diet and one with a meat diet to see who come out best.
Can you do that?

[Cyberman]

How ignorant can a person be!!!

Note to self: never open a rico thread when you have a mouthful of drink. I very nearly died just then.