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[Tonus]

Atheist's what if God's just trying to make it seem like he doesn't exist to test our faith? :S

Then we finally found something he's good at.

[JesusLover1]

But if I'm wrong I'll go to hell...

Think about this for a moment, in Christian theology a person can repent and accept Jesus at anytime in their life. Even just before they die. And they can get into heaven.
And there have been numerous conversions by mass murders just before they hanged.

Now here is the interesting part to ponder...... A person could be a complete bastard their entire life, murdering raping, robbing etc,etc. and right at the last moment they can accept Jc and whammo, straight into heaven.

Yet someone can live a good, virtuous life and yet go to hell for not accepting your god.

Think on that.....take all the time you need.

A couple quotes I read:
Jonathan L. Kvanvig: [C.S.] Lewis believes that the doors of hell are locked from the inside rather than from the outside. Thus, according to Lewis, if escape from hell never happens, it is not because God is not willing that it should happen. Instead, residence in hell is eternal because that is just what persons in hell have chosen for themselves.

Dave Hunt: We may rest assured that no one will suffer in hell who could by any means have been won to Christ in this life. God leaves no stone unturned to rescue all who would respond to the convicting and wooing of the Holy Spirit.

These seem to make sense.

[Brakeman]

Atheist's what if God's just trying to make it seem like he doesn't exist to test our faith? :S

Then we finally found something he's good at.

Also, you have to decide if you would want to respect and follow a god who would deceive in order to send more people to his torture chamber he created. (Hell)

A loving god must do exactly that, love his creation, yet in the bible he has less patience and understanding than the most disturbed human being.

Uzzah was a righteous man that god smote and sent to hell for touching the ark of the covenant in order to prevent it from falling off the cart and being damaged. Does that sound like a loving god to you? Would you kill your child for trying to rescue a prized possession of your's simply because you told them not to touch it?

2 Samuel 6
Uzzah and the Ark
5Meanwhile, David and all the house of Israel were celebrating before the LORD with all kinds of instruments made of fir wood, and with lyres, harps, tambourines, castanets and cymbals. 6But when they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out toward the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen nearly upset it. 7And the anger of the LORD burned against Uzzah, and God struck him down there for his irreverence; and he died there by the ark of God.…

[Faith No More]

A couple quotes I read:
Jonathan L. Kvanvig: [C.S.] Lewis believes that the doors of hell are locked from the inside rather than from the outside. Thus, according to Lewis, if escape from hell never happens, it is not because God is not willing that it should happen. Instead, residence in hell is eternal because that is just what persons in hell have chosen for themselves.

Dave Hunt: We may rest assured that no one will suffer in hell who could by any means have been won to Christ in this life. God leaves no stone unturned to rescue all who would respond to the convicting and wooing of the Holy Spirit.

These seem to make sense.

It does matter if they make sense.

What matters is what the evidence to support these claims is.

[Mr. Moncrieff]

"wooing of the Holy Spirit."



Like a priest then...?

[Faith No More]

"wooing of the Holy Spirit."



Like a priest then...?

I think it's more like Jesus standing outside your window holding a boombox playing "In Your Eyes" by Peter Gabriel.

[SteelCurtain]

All my instincts, they return...

[Esquilax]

A couple quotes I read:
Jonathan L. Kvanvig: [C.S.] Lewis believes that the doors of hell are locked from the inside rather than from the outside. Thus, according to Lewis, if escape from hell never happens, it is not because God is not willing that it should happen. Instead, residence in hell is eternal because that is just what persons in hell have chosen for themselves.

Does that seem likely to you? I mean, consider how much hell weighs on your mind right now: what this quote says is that you'll get there and suddenly not want to leave. Well, what does that say?

What it says is that hell is nicer than it's made out to be. After all, it can't be due to some mental state that the people in there just never attain; if it was out of their reach then that invalidates the whole "escape from hell is possible" notion, and given eternity they'd have to arrive there someday.

No, what you've got, in this scenario, is a hell that everyone on the outside tells you is awful, and everyone on the inside could leave but doesn't. What does that say about the contents of the place, as opposed to the representations of it by people who have never been there?

Dave Hunt: We may rest assured that no one will suffer in hell who could by any means have been won to Christ in this life. God leaves no stone unturned to rescue all who would respond to the convicting and wooing of the Holy Spirit.

No stone unturned, except any form of evidence, at all. Gosh, god's really trying super hard, if the most run of the mill possible action- appearing- is off of his "leave no stone unturned" action plan.

These seem to make sense.

Sorry, but they really, really don't. And besides, they both rest upon an unjustified presupposition of the existence of hell anyway.

[Mr. Moncrieff]

"wooing of the Holy Spirit."



Like a priest then...?

I think it's more like Jesus standing outside your window holding a boombox playing "In Your Eyes" by Peter Gabriel.

Doesn't he have an ipod?

Good on Jesus for not being a slave to Apple.

Not like Eve. Bitch.

[Cyberman]

A couple quotes I read:
Jonathan L. Kvanvig: [C.S.] Lewis believes that the doors of hell are locked from the inside rather than from the outside. Thus, according to Lewis, if escape from hell never happens, it is not because God is not willing that it should happen. Instead, residence in hell is eternal because that is just what persons in hell have chosen for themselves.

Dave Hunt: We may rest assured that no one will suffer in hell who could by any means have been won to Christ in this life. God leaves no stone unturned to rescue all who would respond to the convicting and wooing of the Holy Spirit.

These seem to make sense.

Yet you don't really think that they do, or at least you are open to entertaining that idea, since you also wrote this:

Atheist's what if God's just trying to make it seem like he doesn't exist to test our faith? :S

To consider that "God" is trying (and succeeding) to make it appear it doesn't exist to test your faith and that it is actively seeking "to rescue all who would respond" is another example of driving with one foot on the accelerator and the other on the brake - or as Orwell put it, doublethink (holding two contradictory beliefs simultaneously and believing them both). That way madness lies.