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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:55 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:52 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: It wasn't like anything. But that all lead to me being concious. When I was born I felt life, that was the first moment of my existance. I can't even describe the confusion that involves me with this subject, I can't comprehend what it would feel like after you die. Is this life eternity to us?
It depends what you mean by 'existence'. Because the molecules that you are made of have been around since the big bang. The molecules you are made of right now are not the ones you were made of when you were born. You didn't even have a mind when you were born, so what do you mean when you say 'existence'?
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:56 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:52 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 2:50 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Easy. What was 1850 like for you?
It wasn't like anything. But that all lead to me being concious. When I was born I felt life, that was the first moment of my existance. I can't even describe the confusion that involves me with this subject, I can't comprehend what it would feel like after you die. Is this life eternity to us?
I suspect that 2150 will feel exactly like 1850. It be like anything to you.
You're not scares of 1850 when you were "not", so why be scared of 2150 when you will be not?
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:56 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:55 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 2:52 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: It wasn't like anything. But that all lead to me being concious. When I was born I felt life, that was the first moment of my existance. I can't even describe the confusion that involves me with this subject, I can't comprehend what it would feel like after you die. Is this life eternity to us?
It depends what you mean by 'existence'. Because the molecules that you are made of have been around since the big bang. The molecules you are made of right now are not the ones you were made of when you were born. You didn't even have a mind when you were born, so what do you mean when you say 'existence'?
Honestly I'm not completely sure. This subject blows my mind.
Not that it matters, I'm going to some religion's hell anyways....
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:00 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:56 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Honestly I'm not completely sure. This subject blows my mind.
Not that it matters, I'm going to some religion's hell anyways....
Or you aren't going to any form of hell at all, but instead, be in a state of 'not being you'. Because the molecules you are made of will still exist. But you (as in to say, your mind) will no longer exist. You will be in a state of nonexistence, just like you were for the past 14 billions years, or however old scientists think the universe is.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:02 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 2:56 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Honestly I'm not completely sure. This subject blows my mind.
Not that it matters, I'm going to some religion's hell anyways....
Or you aren't going to any form of hell at all, but instead, be in a state of 'not being you'. Because the molecules you are made of will still exist. But you (as in to say, your mind) will no longer exist. You will be in a state of nonexistence, just like you were for the past 14 billions years, or however old scientists think the universe is.
Would I feel anything?
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:04 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 3:02 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Would I feel anything?
No, because you wouldn't have a functioning brain or a functioning nervous system. Really ask yourself this: How did it feel 2340 years before you were born? And then you will have your answer as to how it will feel when you are dead.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:07 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 3:04 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 3:02 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Would I feel anything?
No, because you wouldn't have a functioning brain or a functioning nervous system. Really ask yourself this: How did it feel 2340 years before you were born? And then you will have your answer as to how it will feel when you are dead.
I'm not saying it's not true, but it's hard to comprehend what not existing for the rest of time would feel like. Because you'd never feel anything again.
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:11 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 3:07 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I'm not saying it's not true, but it's hard to comprehend what not existing for the rest of time would feel like. Because you'd never feel anything again.
Excluding dreams, do you feel anything when you sleep? Have you ever been under general anaesthetic? How did that feel?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:13 pm
Oh, I know the fear you feel very well. You are the center of your own world. Everything you've ever known has been from your P.O.V. So it's only natural for the idea of you suddenly not existing to scare the shit out of you, even if you know you won't even know about it.
1850 and 2150 are totally different. I can easily find out what happened in 1850 because of history. None of us here will ever know what happens in 2150. We'll be gone and the world will carry on without us and forget we ever even existed. Photos of you will be discarded because nobody will know who they are even of anymore. Everyone you care about will die, too, and all the things that hold sentimental value to you will be thrown away or sold to strangers.
That's terrifying, but forcing yourself to believe there is an Eternal afterlife just to diminish that sense of terror sadly won't change reality, no matter how desperately you want it to.
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:15 pm
I'm not sure our brains are equipped to comprehend what non-existence would be like. You know why? Because it won't "be" like anything. You won't have consciousness to feel. There won't be anything. It's nothing to worry over. It just is.
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