Krav Maga

[Crossless2.0]

The problem is that martial arts training of any flavour tends to give people confidence which makes them more likely to actually get into a fight. Hence I'm very skeptical about learning any method for Street combat, lest it contribute to the situation.

For me, a pragmatic combat art should be trained in plain clothes, without warm up, in a bar or on a street, and after the participants have had a few beers. That's the reality of street combat. What I don't like to see is people training something like krav maga and going out thinking they can handle themselves better than the 23 year old chap with no teeth who's been getting in bar fights since he was 16. He will know how to handle an adrenalin dump, tunnel vision, situational awareness etc. We generally don't.

This is a very important point. I should clarify: my interest in studying this (as it has been with other fighting systems) is to provide myself with something I can do if the shit hits the fan and escape is not an immediate option. I'm far from hot-headed in normal life and am non-confrontational by nature. I certainly don't seek trouble. And the last thing I want is a false sense of security (or superiority) that might lead to a bad outcome.

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But please -- remember that getting the hell out of there is always the best option if you find yourself in a sticky situation. I know I would!

I couldn't agree more!

[sven]

[quote='KUSA' pid='641488' dateline='1396309997']

The problem is that martial arts training of any flavour tends to give people confidence which makes them more likely to actually get into a fight. Hence I'm very skeptical about learning any method for Street combat, lest it contribute to the situation.

For me, a pragmatic combat art should be trained in plain clothes, without warm up, in a bar or on a street, and after the participants have had a few beers. That's the reality of street combat. What I don't like to see is people training something like krav maga and going out thinking they can handle themselves better than the 23 year old chap with no teeth who's been getting in bar fights since he was 16. He will know how to handle an adrenalin dump, tunnel vision, situational awareness etc. We generally don't.

You do make a good point.
Also, you can try to stay away from places where there are people like in the part i bolded. Geez...

[Napoléon]

People who regularly get into fights will have the advantage because they'll be able to handle their emotions better. The only fights I've ever really gotten into on the street have been pretty bad for me. That's mainly because martial arts in general (from my experience) don't teach you the importance of remaining calm in a fight. Usually I'll either be excessively angry or downright shit scared to actually put any training to use in a real street fight scenario.

I think Sven made the best point though. The best way to win a street fight is to avoid it in the first place.

[Jacob(smooth)]

[quote='KUSA' pid='641488' dateline='1396309997']

The problem is that martial arts training of any flavour tends to give people confidence which makes them more likely to actually get into a fight. Hence I'm very skeptical about learning any method for Street combat, lest it contribute to the situation.

For me, a pragmatic combat art should be trained in plain clothes, without warm up, in a bar or on a street, and after the participants have had a few beers. That's the reality of street combat. What I don't like to see is people training something like krav maga and going out thinking they can handle themselves better than the 23 year old chap with no teeth who's been getting in bar fights since he was 16. He will know how to handle an adrenalin dump, tunnel vision, situational awareness etc. We generally don't.

You do make a good point.
Also, you can try to stay away from places where there are people like in the part i bolded. Geez...

One does try. Sadly, the Bastards move about! They can be hard to avoid!

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People who regularly get into fights will have the advantage because they'll be able to handle their emotions better. The only fights I've ever really gotten into on the street have been pretty bad for me. That's mainly because martial arts in general (from my experience) don't teach you the importance of remaining calm in a fight. Usually I'll either be excessively angry or downright shit scared to actually put any training to use in a real street fight scenario.

Dealing with adrenalin dump is one of the hardest things.

One of the things I train people in is clinical emergencies. It's very basic stuff and rarely causes people problems. However the first time somebody has a fit or stops breathing in front of you, even the simplest protocols become almost impossible to access from your memory. And the adrenalin dump from that pales in comparison to what happens when some neanderthal offers to rearrange your face. Adrenalin makes fools of us all.

[tor]

Dealing with adrenalin dump is one of the hardest things.

One of the things I train people in is clinical emergencies. It's very basic stuff and rarely causes people problems. However the first time somebody has a fit or stops breathing in front of you, even the simplest protocols become almost impossible to access from your memory. And the adrenalin dump from that pales in comparison to what happens when some neanderthal offers to rearrange your face. Adrenalin makes fools of us all.

Only if you are not me. During my career in counter-terrorism I was calm all the time which helps me stay 100 steps ahead of the terrorists.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Dealing with adrenalin dump is one of the hardest things.

One of the things I train people in is clinical emergencies. It's very basic stuff and rarely causes people problems. However the first time somebody has a fit or stops breathing in front of you, even the simplest protocols become almost impossible to access from your memory. And the adrenalin dump from that pales in comparison to what happens when some neanderthal offers to rearrange your face. Adrenalin makes fools of us all.

Only if you are not me. During my career in counter-terrorism I was calm all the time which helps me stay 100 steps ahead of the terrorists.

Lemme check...

Nope, nobody else in this thread is you. But thanks for the heads up!

I imagine it's easy to stay calm when you have the power, since birth, to avoid fights by dominating your opponent through sheer menacing willpower.

I bet the " terrorists" were intimidated by your sheer presence weren't they? . How long did you serve with the SF?

[tor]

Only if you are not me. During my career in counter-terrorism I was calm all the time which helps me stay 100 steps ahead of the terrorists.

Lemme check...

Nope, nobody else in this thread is you. But thanks for the heads up!

I imagine it's easy to stay calm when you have the power, since birth, to avoid fights by dominating your opponent through sheer menacing willpower.

I bet the " terrorists" were intimidated by your sheer presence weren't they? . How long did you serve with the SF?

10 years.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Why did you leave?

[tor]

Why did you leave?

Cause I discovered that society is more evil than terrorists.
Also I got interested in math.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Why did you leave?

Cause I discovered that society is more evil than terrorists.
Also I got interested in math.

I'd have said that there is no dividing line between society and terrorists. No offense but some of the stuff your IDF has gotten up to has been quantitatively no different to what the Palestinians do.

What a busy career you've had. I'd assumed you were American. Whats it like being an Atheist living in Israel?