RE: Atheism - to die for!
January 20, 2010 at 7:13 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2010 at 7:19 pm by TruthWorthy.)
(January 20, 2010 at 2:00 pm)tackattack Wrote:(December 23, 2009 at 4:26 pm)chatpilot Wrote: tackattack said:2." And how do you know that God punished man? On reread that was a little nonsensical. I was stating that You're under the assumption God punishes. I assert that we punish ourselves and each other."
I suggest you reread your bible since you are demonstrating that you clearly have very little knowledge of what is written within its pages. Here is Isaiah prophesying supposedly gods words regarding punishment.
Isaiah 13:11 (Whole Chapter)
And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
The biblical tale of Adam and Eve clearly states that when they disobeyed god that all mankind had inherited their sin. Whether the tale is literal or allegorical is irrelevant but it is the key reason that Jesus had to die on the cross to redeem mankinds relationship with god. Jesus did this vicariously through his own sufferings and ultimately sacrificing his own life. Although I don't believe any of it was true that is basically what it says.
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1. I think I have a great grasp of the knowledge present in the Bible. Let's examine the creation story then, since we're using that as an example of God punishing Man. Was man punished or exiled? Exiled where, to the world outside of the garden of evil? What did "Eden" have that other things didn't? Well we'll skip the physical things and it was also a seperation from God's presence.
2. Let's extrapolate the timeline a little from there as a theory. Kicked out of paradise to fend for our own for years with this "original sin" humans struggled and built societies, cities, idols, monuments. Lived by the "laws of the land" and instinctually until the ideas of justice formed. Then laws and other societal structures formed.. all based off that original sin. Now after years living apart from God we've built societies, religion, justice and science and it's full of destrution and territorial wars, humanistic materialism, ignorance and hate. God sends warnings like floods, visions, miracles but none will work so he sends his son. People record the old signs (OT) and try to divine reasons and prophesy. The humans are quite happy with what they've built and reject this man claiming to be God and crucify him, seperating themselves from God again. But Christ's sacrifice at least forgave us from our sins at that point and taught us how to get back into communication with God. A religion formed around this Christ and books were written about his teachings (NT). FF to today.
3. In the OT (like Isiah) we contributed lots of things to God which today science helps explain better. Some things are interpreted by men, which put aspects of humanity and gender into it. Some things are so fantastical that they're not believable by most counts (They could be metaphors but we'll never know). Today we're still seperated from God and I propose this Earth is outside of God's love and his Eden. We can work to make it better, but I see no utopia or faith in all of mankind. Earth, today, is a mostly-man-made construct of rules, science, war, hate, society, justice based of human intellect, perception and action. You may have at one point seen something in your life as punishment from God. I'm not saying that God doesn't allow punishment come to you. I don't see any of teh sad and terrible thigns mentioned on the news or on this site as attributable to God, merely effects of Mankind. God's lasting punishment is to let us fend for ourselves till we find our way back to him.
tackattack,
I'm interested in how little your post actually conveys, once you remove all the actual events of humanity, all you're saying is that mankind: has been separated from "god" since the original sin; has seen injustice in broken laws that humanity itself created; has any quantity of people who subscribe to religion and its set of rules.
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