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Who throws the dice for you?
#11
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
I throw my own dice.
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#12
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
(April 11, 2014 at 8:50 am)Heywood Wrote: Negative Lastpoet.

When it is said that randomness is a function of ignorance, what is meant is that the variables responsible for a result are unknown to the observer of the "random" event.
Yes, I've thought this about decay of radioactive isotopes. Is it random, or do we just not know the factors involved? For instance, decay rate of some isotopes seems to vary, and the variance is correlated to sunspot activity. The suggested mechanism behind the variance is solar neutrinos. Seems reasonable to believe that, like your dice, radioactive decay is predictable, but the factors and complexity are currently beyond us.
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#13
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
(April 11, 2014 at 8:25 am)Heywood Wrote: So who or what is throwing the dice for you atheists?

Implying a who or what is behind it...
I'm a bitch, I'm a lover
I'm a goddess, I'm a mother
I'm a sinner, I'm a saint
I do not feel ashamed
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#14
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
(April 11, 2014 at 9:02 am)Heywood Wrote: This is wrong.

Bell's theorem tells us there are no local hidden variables. This two minute video explains to a certain extent.




Bell's theorem? You throw Bell's theorem at me in support of a God claim?! Let's be clear, Bell's theorem demonstrates that classical determinism doesn't apply to quantum events and is also the underpinning of our understanding of quantum entanglement. It makes no statement regarding the existence (or lack of existence) of any control mechanisms for the resolution of quantum events. You need to read up on superdeterministic models.

But that's beside the point: I've already granted you the existence of a control mechanism. So once again, I'll ask: Please explain how that demonstrates 'god'.
Sum ergo sum
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#15
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
From the wiki...

Quote:In its simplest form, Bell's theorem states:[1]

No physical theory of local hidden variables can ever reproduce all of the predictions of quantum mechanics.
What are these "local hidden variables"?

Also, from the wiki:
Quote:In quantum mechanics, a local hidden variable theory is a hidden variable theory in which distant events are assumed to have no instantaneous (or at least faster-than-light) effect on local events.

According to the quantum entanglement theory of quantum mechanics, on the other hand, distant events may under some circumstances have instantaneous correlations with local ones.

Tell me again about how Bell's theorem applies to the problem at hand?

Didn't I tell you to go read about what you're spewing, before you show any more of your ignorance?
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#16
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
(April 11, 2014 at 8:25 am)Heywood Wrote: So who or what is throwing the dice for you atheists?

If you're asking about literal dice, then you already answered the question in your first paragraph:

(April 11, 2014 at 8:25 am)Heywood Wrote: If I roll dice, the out come of the roll is completely random to me. However If I looked at the dice roll in sufficient detail....noting the initial point of contact, velocity, angular momentum, coefficient of friction, etc. the outcome becomes predictable. It would seem then that randomness is really just a function of ignorance.


If you're asking about quantum stuff (like in your second paragraph), I don't know. I have only the must cursory knowledge of the topic. If you're asking a third, different question, I'll need you to elaborate.
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#17
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
What if when we throw dice there are some underlying unknown factors involved?

Great.
So what?

What if when we throw dice there are no unknown underlying factors and it is truly random?

Great.
So what?

You're obviously implying something. Get to it and tell us what it is.
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#18
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
It's Satan, amirite?
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#19
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
(April 11, 2014 at 8:45 am)Heywood Wrote:
(April 11, 2014 at 8:43 am)tommynba Wrote: I would rather say faith / religion is a function of ignorance.

We are not discussing faith or religion....unless you are claiming you have faith in fundamental randomness.

Please don't lie. It's always about god and Jesus with you guys.
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#20
RE: Who throws the dice for you?
Thing is that most people have the intelectual freedom of a rigged dice.
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