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Who throws the dice for you?
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(April 11, 2014 at 8:50 am)Heywood Wrote: Negative Lastpoet.Yes, I've thought this about decay of radioactive isotopes. Is it random, or do we just not know the factors involved? For instance, decay rate of some isotopes seems to vary, and the variance is correlated to sunspot activity. The suggested mechanism behind the variance is solar neutrinos. Seems reasonable to believe that, like your dice, radioactive decay is predictable, but the factors and complexity are currently beyond us. (April 11, 2014 at 8:25 am)Heywood Wrote: So who or what is throwing the dice for you atheists? Implying a who or what is behind it...
I'm a bitch, I'm a lover
I'm a goddess, I'm a mother I'm a sinner, I'm a saint I do not feel ashamed RE: Who throws the dice for you?
April 11, 2014 at 9:51 am
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2014 at 9:53 am by Ben Davis.)
(April 11, 2014 at 9:02 am)Heywood Wrote: This is wrong. Bell's theorem? You throw Bell's theorem at me in support of a God claim?! Let's be clear, Bell's theorem demonstrates that classical determinism doesn't apply to quantum events and is also the underpinning of our understanding of quantum entanglement. It makes no statement regarding the existence (or lack of existence) of any control mechanisms for the resolution of quantum events. You need to read up on superdeterministic models. But that's beside the point: I've already granted you the existence of a control mechanism. So once again, I'll ask: Please explain how that demonstrates 'god'.
Sum ergo sum
From the wiki...
Quote:In its simplest form, Bell's theorem states:[1]What are these "local hidden variables"? Also, from the wiki: Quote:In quantum mechanics, a local hidden variable theory is a hidden variable theory in which distant events are assumed to have no instantaneous (or at least faster-than-light) effect on local events. Tell me again about how Bell's theorem applies to the problem at hand? Didn't I tell you to go read about what you're spewing, before you show any more of your ignorance? (April 11, 2014 at 8:25 am)Heywood Wrote: So who or what is throwing the dice for you atheists? If you're asking about literal dice, then you already answered the question in your first paragraph: (April 11, 2014 at 8:25 am)Heywood Wrote: If I roll dice, the out come of the roll is completely random to me. However If I looked at the dice roll in sufficient detail....noting the initial point of contact, velocity, angular momentum, coefficient of friction, etc. the outcome becomes predictable. It would seem then that randomness is really just a function of ignorance. If you're asking about quantum stuff (like in your second paragraph), I don't know. I have only the must cursory knowledge of the topic. If you're asking a third, different question, I'll need you to elaborate.
What if when we throw dice there are some underlying unknown factors involved?
Great. So what? What if when we throw dice there are no unknown underlying factors and it is truly random? Great. So what? You're obviously implying something. Get to it and tell us what it is.
It's Satan, amirite?
(April 11, 2014 at 8:45 am)Heywood Wrote:(April 11, 2014 at 8:43 am)tommynba Wrote: I would rather say faith / religion is a function of ignorance. Please don't lie. It's always about god and Jesus with you guys.
Thing is that most people have the intelectual freedom of a rigged dice.
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