Catholicism

[ducketto]

And what is the Catholic Church in its truest sense? It would stand alone, but not without Her members. So to judge an entire organization is unreasonable, as shown through my analogy you skimmed over. Do you at least see my point, the illogic?

That's bullshit and you know it.

You think the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Church's proscription against homosexuality, it's stance against women, the systematic cover up of child rape---none of that is the Church's responsibility as an organization?

Listen to what I have said. Are you admitting then, that the Church is so perfect that She cannot falter here on earth? Or are you setting unrealistic expectations. It is the same old song and dance every time. I say this, you respond with the Crusades and child abuse cases that, while significant issues WITHIN the Church, that is, issues that needed to be worked out, just as a team focusses on issues in practice, really are beside the point of the Church's mission.

[SteelCurtain]

The Church doesn't seek to simply cover up scandal without some repercussions in recent years. And I basically threw you a bone to jump on viscously there, but the Church, while perfect in Her fullest sense, is made up of imperfect people. Just as a great team, though often winning, still experiences its slumps and times of trouble. You have to be realistic about the Church on earth.

The Catholic Church just sainted a man who was proven to know about CHILD RAPE before it was reported. It is so typically Christian 'no true scotsman' bullshit to say everything is perfect and the Church is perfect and to define everything bad out of it.

Not Buying That BullTurd.

[Foxaèr]

Are you admitting then, that the Church is so perfect that She cannot falter here on earth?

Normal people falter by having affairs behind their spouses backs.

Normal people do not rape little children and get away with it.

The Catholic Church is not normal.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Anyone who willing and blatantly defends the Catholic Church is irrational and abnormal.

[ducketto]

The Church doesn't seek to simply cover up scandal without some repercussions in recent years. And I basically threw you a bone to jump on viscously there, but the Church, while perfect in Her fullest sense, is made up of imperfect people. Just as a great team, though often winning, still experiences its slumps and times of trouble. You have to be realistic about the Church on earth.

The Catholic Church just sainted a man who was proven to know about CHILD RAPE before it was reported. It is so typically Christian 'no true scotsman' bullshit to say everything is perfect and the Church is perfect and to define everything bad out of it.

Not Buying That BullTurd.

You don't need to buy anything yet. The Church CANONIZED a man, who certainly knew that such things went on, and who likely did his best to resolve them, we don't know, you and I don't, so don't speculate. Lincoln, a pretty darn good president if you ask me, was once a lawyer and won a case for a slaveholder who was returned his "property". Now, Lincoln went on to be the greatest president we may have had, while having his faults and the nation having its as well. But in the end, it made it through. Is the Pope not a man? Does he not have faults? OF course, he goes to Confession.

[Minimalist]

You have to be realistic about the Church on earth.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...n/5078991/

HELENA, Montana (AP) — The Roman Catholic Diocese of Helena planned to file for bankruptcy protection Friday as part of a proposed settlement of $15 million for hundreds of victims who say clergy members sexually abused them over decades while the church covered it up.

Diocese spokesman Dan Bartleson said the bankruptcy reorganization plan comes after confidential mediation sessions with the plaintiffs' attorneys and insurers, resulting in the deals to resolve the abuse claims.

Yes, indeed. We sure as shit are realistic. What about you?

[SteelCurtain]

Listen to what I have said. Are you admitting then, that the Church is so perfect that She cannot falter here on earth? Or are you setting unrealistic expectations. It is the same old song and dance every time. I say this, you respond with the Crusades and child abuse cases that, while significant issues WITHIN the Church, that is, issues that needed to be worked out, just as a team focusses on issues in practice, really are beside the point of the Church's mission.

I have no expectations at all for the Church. Except that it history will likely repeat itself with Christian policies of denying and persecuting anything that doesn't fit their worldview. I seriously couldn't give a shit about Catholicism unless it impinges on my life.

And don't you dare compare the systematic cover up of child rape to a kink that needs to be worked out in practice. That is offensive, if nothing else.

By all measures, the Church's mission is first and foremost to protect itself. Apparently by any means necessary.

[ducketto]

Are you admitting then, that the Church is so perfect that She cannot falter here on earth?

Normal people falter by having affairs behind their spouses backs.

Normal people do not rape little children and get away with it.

The Catholic Church is not normal.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Anyone who willing and blatantly defends the Catholic Church is irrational and abnormal.

Your first two statements held true, but the third came out of nowhere and did not follow the sequence of thought. In a way you are right, the Catholic Church is not ordinary, but Extraordinary. And I am defending the Faith quite rationally, though the defense-mechanisms ingrained in you instantly recoil and reject any notion of this, and am perfectly normal.

[Minimalist]

Let's not be obtuse here, I was talking about the things I listed, not every single Catholic.

The motivations of anyone who remains a catholic after all the revelations about their crimes certainly are suspect, though.

[ducketto]

Listen to what I have said. Are you admitting then, that the Church is so perfect that She cannot falter here on earth? Or are you setting unrealistic expectations. It is the same old song and dance every time. I say this, you respond with the Crusades and child abuse cases that, while significant issues WITHIN the Church, that is, issues that needed to be worked out, just as a team focusses on issues in practice, really are beside the point of the Church's mission.

I have no expectations at all for the Church. Except that it history will likely repeat itself with Christian policies of denying and persecuting anything that doesn't fit their worldview. I seriously couldn't give a shit about Catholicism unless it impinges on my life.

And don't you dare compare the systematic cover up of child rape to a kink that needs to be worked out in practice. That is offensive, if nothing else.

By all measures, the Church's mission is first and foremost to protect itself. Apparently by any means necessary.

No my friend, there you are wrong. The Church's mission is the salvation of souls, and She only fights back because she has fallen under a two-thousand year siege by all of the rest of the world. But I thank all of you for awakening the Sleeping Giant.

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Let's not be obtuse here, I was talking about the things I listed, not every single Catholic.

The motivations of anyone who remains a catholic after all the revelations about their crimes certainly are suspect, though.

Would you have revoked American citizenship after the Watergate Scandal? Be honest.

[Foxaèr]

In a way you are right, the Catholic Church is not ordinary, but Extraordinary.

That, sir, is a lie. Do not get me wrong, you probably believe you are stating the truth, unaware of the fact that your view of what you perceive to he above reproach is quite abnormal and redolent of serious delusion.

And I am defending the Faith quite rationally.

Hardly.