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Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure

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Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
MindForgedManacle Offline
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 11, 2014 at 5:59 pm
I probably accept causal closure. I think I'd attribute that more to my being a naturalist than to my atheism.
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 11, 2014 at 7:27 pm
(May 11, 2014 at 5:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(May 11, 2014 at 5:11 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Their headline product are glittered assless chaps with rhinestones around the seam.
I bet chad would look FABULOUS.

Oh Dahling, you have no idea.

I like the potential this de-rail has given this thread.
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 11, 2014 at 8:14 pm (This post was last modified: May 11, 2014 at 8:15 pm by Lemonvariable72.)
Casual closure.... yeah, sounds like a clothing store for business people. Chad you ready for dragons den?
I can even see a slogan in my mind. "Like Moore's, except cheaper."
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 11, 2014 at 8:34 pm
I'll need to fine tune my idea a bit. How long do I have?
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 11, 2014 at 8:55 pm
(May 11, 2014 at 8:34 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I'll need to fine tune my idea a bit. How long do I have?

we need wooters too, that way the company can be run by chad squared
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 11, 2014 at 9:06 pm
"Chad Squared: Discount Assless Chaps, and MORE!"
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 12, 2014 at 5:41 am
(May 11, 2014 at 5:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(May 11, 2014 at 5:11 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Their headline product are glittered assless chaps with rhinestones around the seam.
I bet chad would look FABULOUS.

Oh Dahling, you have no idea.

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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 12, 2014 at 6:08 am
(May 11, 2014 at 5:59 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: I probably accept causal closure. I think I'd attribute that more to my being a naturalist than to my atheism.

On the one hand - yes - there has to be, within the confines of of our world view - a physical cause for a physical object.

On the other hand there can be non-physical causes in addition which are very difficult to relate back to the physical.

In the causality 101 example of the marble statue you need efficient cause (sculptor) and material cause (marble).

Now we could break down sculptor into neurons triggering, controlling muscle movements and so on which would yield the efficient cause from the material but I can't get from there to skill, talent, ability to "see" the sculpture in the marble before starting and so on.

At the same time if particles and sub-particles do appear "out of nothing" where is the physical cause?

Sorry for the interuption - back to the shopping channel.
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 12, 2014 at 7:34 am
Nice threads.
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 12, 2014 at 8:32 am
I much prefer saying something has a supernatural cause. I don't have to bother with all that scientific testing nonsense, and can just make it up.
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