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Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure

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Every physical effect has a fully physical history.
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Every physical effect may be a history of both physical and non-physical causes.
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Something else entirely.
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Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 12, 2014 at 11:20 am (This post was last modified: May 12, 2014 at 11:49 am by Coffee Jesus.)
(May 11, 2014 at 5:59 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: I probably accept causal closure. I think I'd attribute that more to my being a naturalist than to my atheism.

I'll be agnostic on this one. If there is anything non-physical, how are we supposed to recognize it as the cause of certain things? If we can't, then the only way to rule it out is to make sure that our physics can predict everything with 100% accuracy, even the particle behavior of waves.

Hence I vote #2.
(May 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I've never heard the term casual closure. As far as physical history goes, Many things once called magic have been found to come from natural causes. The more we know, the more we understand without using magic to explain it.

That's the Coffee Jesus fallacy. Tends toward, therefore ends at.
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 12, 2014 at 2:49 pm
(May 12, 2014 at 11:20 am)Coffee Jesus Wrote:
(May 11, 2014 at 5:59 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: I probably accept causal closure. I think I'd attribute that more to my being a naturalist than to my atheism.

I'll be agnostic on this one. If there is anything non-physical, how are we supposed to recognize it as the cause of certain things? If we can't, then the only way to rule it out is to make sure that our physics can predict everything with 100% accuracy, even the particle behavior of waves.

Hence I vote #2.
(May 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I've never heard the term casual closure. As far as physical history goes, Many things once called magic have been found to come from natural causes. The more we know, the more we understand without using magic to explain it.

That's the Coffee Jesus fallacy. Tends toward, therefore ends at.

I love it. The coffee Jesus fallacy. Perfect.
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 12, 2014 at 3:05 pm
Composition fallacy is the real name of it. :p
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 12, 2014 at 3:07 pm (This post was last modified: May 12, 2014 at 3:08 pm by Coffee Jesus.)
(May 12, 2014 at 3:05 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Composition fallacy is the real name of it. :p

Mystery solved!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition

I guess hasty generalization says it pretty well too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization
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RE: Precursor of Atheism: Causal Closure
May 13, 2014 at 8:22 am
Option 1 quickly devolves at the quantum level.
Option 2 might cover the quantum, but this would merely be a resort to probability.
In either case I was a non-believer long before even considering any of that and it has more to do with being able to spot a blatant lie.
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