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President Obama, Show us the drone memos
#21
RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
Because the precedent was set by Bush - whom I suspect you think was just fine when he started wars for nothing but get real upset with Obama when he does anything.

Call it a hunch.
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#22
RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
(May 12, 2014 at 10:36 am)Coffee Jesus Wrote:
NY Times -Show Us The Drone Memos by Rand Paul Wrote:Those who would make exceptions for killing accused American citizens without trial should give thought to the times in our history when either prejudice or fear allowed us to forget due process. During World War I, our nation convicted and imprisoned Americans who voiced opposition to the war. During World War II, the government interned Japanese-Americans.

Then he compares Obama to Hitler. He hasn't even seen the memos!

My bad. I didn't read it all.

(May 12, 2014 at 11:07 am)Chuck Wrote:
(May 12, 2014 at 10:31 am)Heywood Wrote: The difference is the target.

Obama ordered the execution of an American citizen without due process. We need to know how he justifies the act.

Indeed. There is no justification for bumping off some who is merely suspected of involvement in terrorism, and who is not even a republican.

How do you know that's what it is? This is the info we've been given.

NY Times -Show Us The Drone Memos by Rand Paul Wrote:Mr. Barron wrote at least two legal memos justifying the execution without a trial of an American citizen abroad.
[...]
“there are at least eleven OLC opinions on the targeted killing or drone program.”
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we do know that his controversial classified opinions provided the president with a legal argument and justification to target an American citizen for execution without a trial by jury or due process.
[...]
The Obama administration has established a legal justification that applies to every American citizen, whether in Yemen, Germany or Canada.
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#23
RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
Can you imagine how conservative hypocrites would react if Obama had signed the Patriot Act?

Obama definitely deserves to be scrutinized for all his failures, but if you sat silently during the Bush era, you have no right to open your mouth now.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#24
Re: RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
(May 12, 2014 at 1:27 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Can you imagine how conservative hypocrites would react if Obama had signed the Patriot Act?

Obama definitely deserves to be scrutinized for all his failures, but if you sat silently during the Bush era, you have no right to open your mouth now.

I agree with you but why do so many Democrats criticize Bush and either defend or stay quiet when Obama does similar things?

I personally don't like or trust either one of them.
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#25
RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
(May 12, 2014 at 6:27 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:
(May 11, 2014 at 11:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: What's the difference between a drone firing a missile from 30 miles away and an F-18 firing a missile from 30 miles away?

They use X-box controllers.

That will do it. By now everyone should be using Playstation controllers. Flippin morons using inferior products. Sheesh.
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#26
RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
(May 12, 2014 at 12:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Because the precedent was set by Bush - whom I suspect you think was just fine when he started wars for nothing but get real upset with Obama when he does anything.

Call it a hunch.

Well I won't comment on Bush starting wars, that is just your attempt at changing the subject with a red herring.

As far as Bush setting the precedent, these are two different situations. Obama signed an order authorizing the targeting and killing of an American citizen. To our knowledge Bush did not sign such an order. Derwish was killed in an attack targeting other terrorists. Now if it is shown that Bush did indeed order Derwish's killing then Bush needs to be investigated.

(May 12, 2014 at 1:27 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Can you imagine how conservative hypocrites would react if Obama had signed the Patriot Act?

Obama definitely deserves to be scrutinized for all his failures, but if you sat silently during the Bush era, you have no right to open your mouth now.

The left glosses over Obama's failure just as the right glossed over Bush's. The opposition serves a purpose. Even if they are wrong they are a check at least.
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#27
RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
(May 12, 2014 at 4:38 pm)KUSA Wrote: I agree with you but why do so many Democrats criticize Bush and either defend or stay quiet when Obama does similar things?

I personally don't like or trust either one of them.

I've actually been quite fascinated watching that happen. It's amazing to see how selective viewing is bi-partisan.

Me, I don't trust any politician on the national scale. You pretty much have to sell your morals to make it at that level.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
(May 12, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Heywood Wrote: The left glosses over Obama's failure just as the right glossed over Bush's. The opposition serves a purpose. Even if they are wrong they are a check at least.

Touché.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#29
RE: President Obama, Show us the drone memos
Update:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/...latestnews
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#30
President Obama, Show us the drone memos
(May 20, 2014 at 10:25 pm)Heywood Wrote: Update:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/...latestnews

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