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What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
#11
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
Well, if the person is someone I hated enough to kill, then I'd kill him by not helping him. Because that's what not helping someone who is dying is-- passive killing.
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#12
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
I can already see the headlines Bryan Fischer saved by an atheist….although I still don't know if it will be seen as a good thing or a bad thing[Image: confused-onion-head-emoticon.gif]
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#13
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
Well, I've had a bit of first aid training, so I'd do what I could on spot, call an ambulance, stay with Fischer until the medics arrived, tell them what I've done, inform them I wish to be billed for all of Fischer's medical expenses - then I'd slip one of the medics $100 to blow Fischer on the way to the hospital.

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#14
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
(May 19, 2014 at 12:58 am)Zidneya Wrote: I can already see the headlines Bryan Fischer saved by an atheist….although I still don't know if it will be seen as a good thing or a bad thing[Image: confused-onion-head-emoticon.gif]

You have issues.
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#15
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
(May 19, 2014 at 5:14 am)Cato Wrote:
(May 19, 2014 at 12:58 am)Zidneya Wrote: I can already see the headlines Bryan Fischer saved by an atheist….although I still don't know if it will be seen as a good thing or a bad thing[Image: confused-onion-head-emoticon.gif]

You have issues.

I suppose that your majesty has never heard that:

"No good deed go unpunished"

Because let's say that you decide to save him ad oviously people will congratulate you at the beginning. And somewhere along the line Fischer or someone inspired by him decides to carry out one of his idiotic ideas.
Like for example I dunno. Maybe this Bryan Fischer: Gender Discrimination OK Because God 'Designed' Women To Be Secretaries

And that ain't one of his extremists ideas.
What? You think that people still will be congratulate you? That they are gonna say that you did the right thing?

They are gonna say: if only that guy had continued his walk home and pretend he didn't saw him none of us will have any problem.

So excuse me if I have second thoughts about saving the denialist homophobic misogynist christian extremist.

And I'm saying this from the moral point of view(since that the one you choose). Even after ignoring the fact that I already told you from the beginning.

(May 18, 2014 at 8:40 pm)Zidneya Wrote:
(May 18, 2014 at 8:26 pm)Cato Wrote: Anyone that finds this to be some sort of dilemma is an immoral cunt. Get the man medical attention for fuck's sake.

Moral?

Who said anything about moral?

I set up the stage, characters ,and plot and that's it.
I didn't asked you what was the right thing to do? do I? DO I!!?
Because tell me where did I asked that?

What you think that theres a right and wrong answer?

You could turn it into a joke.
You could turn it into a scary story.
You could turn it into a thriller.
You could turn it into a mor….oh wait that's were you got stuck so never mind.

I asked.
What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?

So don't get mad at me just because you don't have any imagination.
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#16
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
(May 19, 2014 at 8:57 pm)Zidneya Wrote:
(May 19, 2014 at 5:14 am)Cato Wrote: You have issues.

I suppose that your majesty has never heard that:

"No good deed go unpunished"

Because let's say that you decide to save him ad oviously people will congratulate you at the beginning. And somewhere along the line Fischer or someone inspired by him decides to carry out one of his idiotic ideas.
Like for example I dunno. Maybe this Bryan Fischer: Gender Discrimination OK Because God 'Designed' Women To Be Secretaries

And that ain't one of his extremists ideas.
What? You think that people still will be congratulate you? That they are gonna say that you did the right thing?

They are gonna say: if only that guy had continued his walk home and pretend he didn't saw him none of us will have any problem.

So excuse me if I have second thoughts about saving the denialist homophobic misogynist christian extremist.

And I'm saying this from the moral point of view(since that the one you choose). Even after ignoring the fact that I already told you from the beginning.

(May 18, 2014 at 8:40 pm)Zidneya Wrote: Moral?

Who said anything about moral?

I set up the stage, characters ,and plot and that's it.
I didn't asked you what was the right thing to do? do I? DO I!!?
Because tell me where did I asked that?

What you think that theres a right and wrong answer?

You could turn it into a joke.
You could turn it into a scary story.
You could turn it into a thriller.
You could turn it into a mor….oh wait that's were you got stuck so never mind.

I asked.
What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?

So don't get mad at me just because you don't have any imagination.

Then you put it in Off Topic, not Philosophy, if you intended this as a kind of creative writing exercise.
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#17
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
(May 19, 2014 at 10:04 pm)Sejanus Wrote: Then you put it in Off Topic, not Philosophy, if you intended this as a kind of creative writing exercise.

Humor, terror, morality, creativity those are generated from one's life philosophies. [Image: info-onion-head-emoticon.gif]

Like I said there aren't good or bad answers…...

No wait there are bad answers.
(May 18, 2014 at 8:26 pm)Cato Wrote: Anyone that finds this to be some sort of dilemma is an immoral cunt. Get the man medical attention for fuck's sake.

(May 18, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Brian37 Wrote: That is a complete bullshit "what if" and convoluted bullshit as well. If someone is not a direct physical threat to your life right at that second, and they are injured, and unarmed, you help them. PERIOD.

Nothing to ponder.

Independently even if people take it or not seriously what I'm not gonna stand for are those pussies that tell everyone else what they should or shouldn't answer.

What can't they say: I'll save him. But noooo they. There's only one answer and everyone else who thinks differently is wrong.

That's one of the ideas that started religion in the first place.
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#18
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
And, just for the record, Bryan Fischer is a spokesman for the American Family Association and is a particularly terrifying mix of far-right-wing and influential. Here's a list of some more colorful views he has publicly expressed:
  • He thinks Anders Breivik's analysis of Islam is accurate, but considers him Muslim, because terrorists are, by definition, Muslim.
  • He believes the First amendment applies only to Triune Christians.
  • He believes Anthony Weiner only ran for mayor of New York so his wife could engage in Jihadist activity.
  • He believes women should not serve in the military, run for office, or vote.
  • Regardless of this, he is convinced that anyone who criticises Sarah Palin is possessed by Satan.
  • He believes gay people perpetrated the Holocaust.
  • He insists the clusterfuck over Sandra Fluke makes the left look more misogynistic than the right.
  • Because some southern Democrats supported the Jim Crow laws decades ago, therefore all liberals are racist. Therefore, all racists are liberals.
  • Is convinced Obama is as racist and paranoid as he is, and is convinced Homeland Security wants to kill him and, to this end, is stockpiling ammunition.
  • Thinks Obama is importing Muslims from elsewhere for the express purposes of destroying America.
  • Believes that Obama photoshopped himself into the famous Situation Room photo.
  • Insists Native Americans are still poor because they still retain ties to their old culture, and, thus genocide against them is/was justified.
  • Believes that JC Penney's hiring Ellen DeGeneres as their spokeswoman will lead women into lesbianism, and, therefore, in his mind, anyway, a shitty life.
  • Considers anti-gay hate crimes to be justifiable.
  • Considers it good to kidnap children from same-sex couples.
  • Assumes Global Warming is somehow a religion.
  • Refuses to believe HIV causes AIDS.
  • Thinks a soldier who saved one of his comrades' lives is unworthy of the Congressional Medal of Honor.
  • Thinks that a bear attack at Yellowstone Park is the result of man turning his back on God, and, to avoid this, we should kill EVERY WILD ANIMAL IN EXISTENCE.
  • Insists the rise in HPV is due to Bill Clinton.
  • Thinks Todd Akin's "legitimate rape" quote is accurate.
  • Thinks Hispanics are socialists by nature and, thus, lazy, and vote Democratic.

The source for all this was RationalWiki's page on Bryan Fischer.

And, if that wasn't enough, here's his FSTDT page.

So, there is a reason some people would consider this a dilemma.
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#19
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
So maybe I fellate him while he lays dying ??


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#20
RE: What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?
Nobody is suggesting that this Fischer character isn't a deplorable asshole, but I'm not in the habit of interrogating bloodied human speedbumps while on a stroll prior to getting them medical attention. No matter what his views are or the manner in which he disseminates them, I believe he can be countered without allowing him to writhe alone in pain until he succumbs to his injuries. I fear promoting Judge Dredd behavior by those with hypersensitivity to crankish opinions than I do to the crankish opinions themselves. The OP also doesn't consider the fact that if Fischer were to pass on the street that there will be some other asshole to immediately take his place.

Reciprocity is also in play. I would hope that somebody encountering my bloody mass would lend assistance without considering how my opinions mesh with their view of existence.
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