Damn it! Who told them?!

[Pippy]

That sustainability can be a good word, or a very, very bad word.

Environmentalists discussing sustainability as theory, as ideology is constructive.

So called 'social engineers' though, it is a label for something far worse.

See if there is a connection between this new party and the United Nations Agenda 21.

[ib.me.ub]

I would hope there is.

Why do you consider social engineering a bad thing?

[KichigaiNeko]

Looks as if this post has degenerated a bit.

There is a new political party in Australia, well a aplication for a political party.

Is is caled the Ethics and Sustainability Party (no joke). What do you all think about this name?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/...794543.htm

Just googled it (as above) Sorry to say that they are a Tasmanian Party and as such probably won't get very far...A least not in Aus.

We also have the Fishing Party and many other bizarre groups all vying for the taxpayers $$ ...
Meh

[Pippy]

"Why do you consider social engineering a bad thing?"

If it is making (engineering) constructs for people to live in (social), then I have no issue. I was just trying to point out the sustainability can be a dangerous word. Some people are moving towards a more sustainable future that includes killing 95% of the population, and those 'social engineers' are very much not in the right.

So the new party may be in line with other sustainability initiatives that border on eugenics.

Like this creepy Agenda 21 thing. Or Pax Alimentarius.

Just a point. I only have a problem with the social engineers that are on the side of evil. Or is it evil people pretending to be social engineers?

[KichigaiNeko]

"Why do you consider social engineering a bad thing?"

The last lot of 'socio-engineering gave us the Nazi regieme (I could be wrong here) And the Germanic peoples felt (initially) that it was a good thing

If it is making (engineering) constructs for people to live in (social), then I have no issue.

I disagree Pip, and put forward the soci-engineering of the scisms within the major religious social constructs

I was just trying to point out the sustainability can be a dangerous word. Some people are moving towards a more sustainable future that includes killing 95% of the population, and those 'social engineers' are very much not in the right.

I have issue with this as well. We are told to 'Save the Planet' by reducing Greenhouse emissions back to pre-industrial days. But to do that would involve the destruction of a world ecconomy, advances in science, and the population percentage you have quoted.

So the new party may be in line with other sustainability initiatives that border on eugenics.

I thought that was what Religion has been trying to do these past 10,000 years

Like this creepy Agenda 21 thing. Or Pax Alimentarius.

Don't know enough about it but ....yes on the surface it does look creepy...(aka dogey deals)

Just a point. I only have a problem with the social engineers that are on the side of evil. Or is it evil people pretending to be social engineers?

Then that includes everyone pip. Every man out for him / her self and personal agenda.

For my money there is no such thing as evil or sin or good or bad or any of those value judgement labels....just cause and consequence.

[KichigaiNeko]

"Why do you consider social engineering a bad thing?"

Because the last major exersise in social engineering gave us Hitler's Nazi Party

If it is making (engineering) constructs for people to live in (social), then I have no issue.

I do, it comes close to me telling you that you can NOT have the views that you do on point of death, or some such nonsense

I was just trying to point out the sustainability can be a dangerous word.

The word "Sustainability" is the least of our worries

Some people are moving towards a more sustainable future that includes killing 95% of the population, and those 'social engineers' are very much not in the right.

And the general population is hot for it as well. And yes if you want to stop global warming and get back to pre-industrial CO2 that would be the case, a decrease in population numbers.

So the new party may be in line with other sustainability initiatives that border on eugenics.

No, they are just a bunch of crackpots from Tasmania who romaticise about the good old days.

Like this creepy Agenda 21 thing. Or Pax Alimentarius.

Have dowloaded the material on this (haven't heard of it before) ....seems Aus govt is quite committed to this.

Just a point. I only have a problem with the social engineers that are on the side of evil. Or is it evil people pretending to be social engineers?

There is no such thing as evil. Only choice and consequence