3Guys1Hammer - A Question for the religious

[Tiberius]

You mean without the existence of the idea of God. Just because without God, atheism is meaningless (literally), it doesn't mean God actually exists.

[rjh4 is back]

How are we, from our subjective perspective supposed to comprehend this objective truth you speak of? What tool should we use to check our understanding of the bible?

Frankly, I think it requires a total change of perspective. As an atheist, your perspective (I think) is that you are the ultimate authority for you: you decide what is right and wrong, good and evil, and nobody, not even God, has a claim on your life. Everything, including your understanding of the Bible is decided by you. To understand the Bible as the revealed Word of God would require you to change this perspective such that God is and is the ultimate authority. If the Bible is not viewed with that perspective, the only thing you will get out of it is what you already think.

[Dotard]

Again with the "you have to believe it to believe it".

And ya'll wonder why we call you silly christian.

[Edwardo Piet]

Hmmm yes...

Dotard... part of me wonders if 'you have to believe it to believe it' is circular thinking .... I wonder if I am at all correct on my estimation when I reckon that you are also thinking along the same lines? Hmm

EvF

[Rhizomorph13]

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How are we, from our subjective perspective supposed to comprehend this objective truth you speak of? What tool should we use to check our understanding of the bible?

Frankly, I think it requires a total change of perspective. As an atheist, your perspective (I think) is that you are the ultimate authority for you: you decide what is right and wrong, good and evil, and nobody, not even God, has a claim on your life. Everything, including your understanding of the Bible is decided by you. To understand the Bible as the revealed Word of God would require you to change this perspective such that God is and is the ultimate authority. If the Bible is not viewed with that perspective, the only thing you will get out of it is what you already think.

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While I do consider myself the "ultimate authority" over mysefl; I am subject to the laws of the nation I belong to. My proposition is that both Christianity and Secular Humanism approach morals from a subjective viewpoint. I failed to make my point clear:

Secular Humanism trys to build a moral code based on what is best for society according to data obtained from that society

Christianity trys to build a moral code based on interpretation of scripture.

Both methods rely on the interpretation of humans so they are both subject to the flaws from human interpretation.

Rhizo

[LEDO]

You mean without the existence of the idea of God. Just because without God, atheism is meaningless (literally), it doesn't mean God actually exists.

Let me guess, kids would beat you up and take your lunch money.

[Tiberius]

You mean without the existence of the idea of God. Just because without God, atheism is meaningless (literally), it doesn't mean God actually exists.

Let me guess, kids would beat you up and take your lunch money.

???

Please try to be cogent. I know it's hard for you, but give it your best shot. I believe in you.

[Edwardo Piet]

I read it over many times and I had no idea what he meant either lol.

EvF

[leo-rcc]

I did, I thought it was pretty funny actually.

[Edwardo Piet]

Yeah.. you did read it over, and you did find it funny.... but did you know what it meant? Lol.

EvF