Evidence of the Bible's Validity

[rexbeccarox]

Earlier in the thread you said you were going to name some fulfilled prophecies. Now would be a good time, don't you think?

I don't think I said that, actually. The point of this thread is to talk about prophecy that is being, or will be, fulfilled. Should these prophecies be fulfilled, hopefully someone who reads this thread remembers this discussion and sees the correlation.

Well, you titled the thread "Evidence of the Bible's Validity". Were you not planning on giving us such?

[Minimalist]

The Book of Revelation was written around the year 95 A.D.

Umm, no. It was not.
It was written much later. I believe hundreds of years later.

It's not when it was written that matters.... it dates itself to late 68 or early 69 AD.... it's when it was re-written by xtians that counts.

[BlackMason]

Be careful, if the prediction and result are authored at the same time it is not a fulfilled prophecy.

I think you mean unreliable? I don't know I'm not following here.

[max-greece]

And now a short play set in a vestry where a Bishop and 3 acolytes are sitting and discussing a problematic passage in Revelations:

Bishop: "They are seven Kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while." OK boys - I want to make something of this, what have we got?

Acolyte 1: Could be allegorical Boss. 7 hills of Rome?

Bishop: No I want Kings - which Kings for crying out loud.

Acolyte 2: Might just be 7 Kings with something in common.

Bishop: I like your thinking there. Seven Kings with something in common. What have we got?

Acolyte 3: Well a lot of them have big noses. Look at the konk on that one, for example.

Bishop: Noses won't cut it. We need something more substantial, and I want them related to Christianity so we'd better look within the Holy Roman Empire.

Acolyte 2: Well there were 7 Charles' who were kings.

Bishop: Brilliant. 7 Charles it is then. Is there anything about the name Charles that we could use to justify the choice? Anything at all?

Acolyte 2: Oh we can find something I'm sure. We'll scan through a bunch of languages and interpretations. We'll get something.

Bishop: Excellent. So we have a reason to choose Charles. Now we want another Charles who fits the bill for the 8th one a.k.a. the Beast.

Acolyte 1: Manson Boss, Manson. Evil Bastard he was. Gotta go with him.

Bishop: Just a psycho and one that didn't win through.

Acolyte 2: DARWIN Boss. Charles Fuckin' Darwin. Gotta be boss, gotta be. What a beast he was - reckoned he came from them too. In fact - you could say he evolved into one. Tee hee.

Bishop: I think we need a King but it would be great if it could be Darwin - see what you can find on him.

Acolyte 1: Dickens? Chaplin? De Gaulle?

Bishop: A King numb-nuts. I want a King. Was Chaplin a King?

Acolyte 1: Erm.....of comedy.

Bishop: Just go. Leave us. You aren't getting this at all.

Acolyte 2: Er....Boss.....Prince Charles of England. He should be King someday and I am just playing with the gematria and I think I can get 666 out of him.

Acolyte 3: He has a big nose too. And big ears. Maybe we should check out the ears on the others.

Bishop: Prince Charles? Really? He's not exactly the incarnation of the Dark Lord is he. I mean you look at Charles and your not thinking Sith are you. Is he really the best you can get for me?

Acolyte 2: Oh don't worry about that Boss. Once we get the numbers to stack up no-one will point out that he's slightly less threatening than a wet mouse. At least he disposed of his wife in suspicious circumstances.

Bishop: Hmmm. Well see what you can do with it. I wanted something to scare the crap out of everyone. That will be a hard job with Big ears. Lets meet up next week and see what you've got for me.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Now if we could just find the seventh son of a seventh son, we'd really be in buisiness.

[Minimalist]

Revelation 17,10

10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.

1. Augustus 1/5 Fallen
2. Tiberius 2/5 Fallen
3. (Gaius) Caligula 3/5 Fallen
4. Claudius 4/5 Fallen
5. Nero 5/5 Fallen
6. Galba (Assassinated 1/15/69)
6A. Otho (Suicide April 16, 69)
6B. Vitellius (Assassinated December 22, 69)
7. Vespasian (Ruled for 10 years)

The author, sitting in Jerusalem in 68 and no doubt shitting his pants while Vespasian's army cut the city off from the outside world, indulged in some Jewish apocalyptic writing which was later co-opted by xtians who invented all sorts of stupid stories about it. The author can be forgiven for not guessing the brief reigns of Otho and Vitellius. That was unprecedented and this is politics....not "prophecy."

[Wyrd of Gawd]

When all of those stars fall to Earth will they crush the rose bushes?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

When all of those stars fall to Earth will they crush the rose bushes?

They're certainly welcome to crush mine. I hate roses.

Boru

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Anyone care to provide a logical counterpoint, or are you just going to try hard to be clever and use curse words in place of reason?

I don't see what there is to counter?

[Tonus]

This is an interesting approach to using numerology; use numerology, then insist that you aren't using numerology. The obvious benefit is that there are at least three or four (and probably many, many more) threads in the forums dealing with numerological proof that one religion or other is the truth. I'd say that at least half of those are from Islamic theists, which means that Christians can't point to a common thread among them.

So if the OP wants to make a slightly more compelling case, he might want to track those topics down and debunk them one by one and then return here and explain why his non-numerological numerology is valid where those others are not.