Science was once a child of the church.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Did you know that the idea of curse words being offensive or obscene comes from the Anglo-Saxon superstition of Dead-Naming; the belief that certain words have power over objects or people?

It's also what Grimoires were made up of: originally, they weren't books of spells or incantations, just lists of words for objects, and the "true name" of those objects.

[The Valkyrie]

And the church was its mother. A fact many Atheist seem to be unaware of. Or would soon forget. You would be surprised to see how many scientist were believers in God that actually founded some serious science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...in_science

I am not a religious man or a Christian, but I am often amused at how some Atheist seem to use science as a type of weapon against religion, not knowing that science was once a bedfellow with religion.

Yes, at one time it was a proponent of science.

I will say that it was individual people within the religions and not the religion itself.

At one time Islam was a major contributor to science and then the fundamentalists arrived - the same as Christianity.

Now we see people using their religion to retard and hold back science - look at the creationists who deny a basic fact live evolution and fight daily to get their dogma pushed as science.

[Losty]

A - Without
Theism - Belief in god

Atheism - Without belief in god/lack of belief in god

Does one have to know about god before not-believing in it? Or would that be the default position?

Atheism came from Theism, and its absolutely nothing you can do or say to change that. Atheism is the child of Theism, one could not exist without the other.

Proofs or it didn't happen.

[Cinjin]

Atheism is the child of Theism, one could not exist without the other.

I disagree, but I would like to hear what evidence you have for this claim.

[Napoléon]

Atheism came from Theism, and its absolutely nothing you can do or say to change that.

Assertions without evidence. The hallmark of all good religious whipping boys.

[mickiel]

Science now has other bedfellows, and it has a " Fan base", which I think Atheism is part of, latching themselves to it as if they are partners. They root for science and treat it like religions treat their gods. A different type of worship.

But science was once the child of the church, its main mission used to be " A search for the divine."

Again I ask, so what?

Good question, deserving of a better answer. History is the unfolding of reality that we know. There was no war between religion and science, the fight was between the church and science; know that history. The Roman Catholic church to be exact; and it once ruled over science.

And the real reason science left the church, was because THEY wanted to speak for God, instead of the Bishops! THEY wanted to give the answers, and receive the admiration of the people.

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Atheism is the child of Theism, one could not exist without the other.

I disagree, but I would like to hear what evidence you have for this claim.

You are the evidence; explain to me why Atheism would exist, if Theism did not?

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Atheism came from Theism, and its absolutely nothing you can do or say to change that.

Assertions without evidence. The hallmark of all good religious whipping boys.

You have made a serious error, I am not religious.

[Napoléon]

You have made a serious error, I am not religious.

And my name is Queen Elizabeth.

[Anomalocaris]

A - Without
Theism - Belief in god

Atheism - Without belief in god/lack of belief in god

Does one have to know about god before not-believing in it? Or would that be the default position?

Atheism came from Theism, and its absolutely nothing you can do or say to change that. Atheism is the child of Theism, one could not exist without the other.

Ah, no. Lack of belief in any piece of bullshit must predate the invention of that bullshit.

And no, lack of believe in bullshit does not require bullshit to exist.

Are you always so transparently dumb and yet so confident, or was that made worse by your belief in god?

[mickiel]

You have made a serious error, I am not religious.

And my name is Queen Elizabeth.

You cannot define me; I attend no churches, I am not part of any group, I walk alone in my beliefs and hold no need for religion. Religion does not hold a monopoly on belief in God; I believe in God because of the facts I have researched.

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Atheism came from Theism, and its absolutely nothing you can do or say to change that. Atheism is the child of Theism, one could not exist without the other.

Ah, no. Lack of belief in any bullshit must predate the invention of bullshit.

And no, lack of believe in bullshit does not require bullshit to exist.

Are you always so transparently dumb and yet so confident, or was that made worse by your belief in god?

What ever I am, I hold no need to curse at you and insult you, just because I disagree with you. In my view, that is immature response. And disrespectful.

[Cinjin]

I disagree, but I would like to hear what evidence you have for this claim.

You are the evidence; explain to me why Atheism would exist, if Theism did not?

Well, first of all, I'm a deist, not an atheist.
Secondly -
That's an odd response but hey, you're new here so I'll answer the question that I JUST asked of you.

The reason why atheism can easily exist without theism is because the default setting of all humans is lack of knowledge.
When you are born, you believe in nothing until some gullible halfwit attempts to imprint you with his own ideas of who created what.

However, not every person ever born on this planet has received such stupidity. There were and are still many who have never believed in a god - thus atheism. Now, if you're merely referencing the fact that the word theism is a part of atheism, than you're just arguing semantics and I have no time for such futile idiocy. I'm hoping that you're not just arguing semantics right?

Summation: The lack of knowledge of any god creates a person who does not believe in god. Therefore, atheism is completely possible to exist without theism.