Science was once a child of the church.

[LastPoet]

So, are you able to show us a way to verify a god. Please define and present evidence for such a thing. Put up or shut the fuck up.

As to science, it may be a child of philosophy, definitely not a child of religion.

[Esquilax]

Yea, so we just got insanely lucky , and atheist are spreading the story of mammoth luck like religion spreads its story of insane hell.

Both pimping the incredible.

We didn't "get" lucky because being lucky implies that the circumstances we find ourselves in were part of a game made to potentially bring life into existence. We didn't get lucky, we just are. The chances of it happening, in retrospect, are one hundred percent, but this is just how the bones rolled. In another universe we might possibly never have existed, and the universe would not care a jot. None of this was made for us, none of it cares for us, and our existence in it isn't a requirement. We are a transitory blip in spacetime, and our existence isn't assured in the future any more than it was demanded of the past.

Does that make you uncomfortable?

[mickiel]

So, are you able to show us a way to verify a god. Please define and present evidence for such a thing. Put up or shut the fuck up.

As to science, it may be a child of philosophy, definitely not a child of religion.

There are many ways to verify a god , but because god is unorthodox, the verification is as well; one has to think outside the box of the norm. atheism is a way to verify god, why has not the world been entirely atheist, since it began that way? And why has theism overshadowed atheism in human history? How did it move to the forefront and stay that way for so long?

The duality concept must be observed then, as unorthodox as it is. How could we have up without down? In without out? Good without evil? Yen without yang? theist without atheist? Natural without unnatural? Male without female? The existence of one demands the existence of the other.

atheism is right, none of mans gods exist, absolutely none of them. But there is a god outside of human invention. Both then must exist, no gods and god. That duality is evidence that no yen can be removed from the yang. We cannot remove females and claim only males exist. As long as atheism exist, then god must exist, or atheism has no reason to exist.

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Yea, so we just got insanely lucky , and atheist are spreading the story of mammoth luck like religion spreads its story of insane hell.

Both pimping the incredible.

We didn't "get" lucky because being lucky implies that the circumstances we find ourselves in were part of a game made to potentially bring life into existence. We didn't get lucky, we just are. The chances of it happening, in retrospect, are one hundred percent, but this is just how the bones rolled. In another universe we might possibly never have existed, and the universe would not care a jot. None of this was made for us, none of it cares for us, and our existence in it isn't a requirement. We are a transitory blip in spacetime, and our existence isn't assured in the future any more than it was demanded of the past.

Does that make you uncomfortable?

The happenstance view is uncomfortable. I do not accept it. Its a chance filling of a serious hole in you're philosophy. As you attempt to cover up god, you do so be altering creation from a preplanned event to now an incredible roll of mythical universal dice.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Yea, so we just got insanely lucky , and atheist are spreading the story of mammoth luck like religion spreads its story of insane hell.

Both pimping the incredible.

We didn't "get" lucky because being lucky implies that the circumstances we find ourselves in were part of a game made to potentially bring life into existence. We didn't get lucky, we just are. The chances of it happening, in retrospect, are one hundred percent, but this is just how the bones rolled. In another universe we might possibly never have existed, and the universe would not care a jot. None of this was made for us, none of it cares for us, and our existence in it isn't a requirement. We are a transitory blip in spacetime, and our existence isn't assured in the future any more than it was demanded of the past.

Does that make you uncomfortable?

Thank you. 99.9% of creation vs. the improbability of "chance occurrences" simply assume the present is a necessary scenario.

[Brian37]

[quote='Brian37' pid='683370'
You don't like religion as an organized entity, GREAT, neither do we. But that does not make us equal to religion because you don't like the thought of a god not existing.

Interesting response. I think atheist have a better record and view of killing that the religious do. I think the world would be better off if it followed the atheist example toward killing than the religious record, no doubt. I have a thread on another site entitled, " Would the world be better off if it was entirely atheist, and what differences would it make?" The atheist there have given interesting response, the theist there are ignoring it.

One poster brought up the point about killing and how religion has played a part in a lot of killing. I agreed with him, because he was right, and history, even present history, backs him up.

I do not deny the good or evil in any group dynamic.
[/quote]

Dude is this your first time at an atheist website because you sure as fuck act like it. Do you really think you are the first to argue atheist vs theist body count bullshit?

Before the age of Enlightenment and the rise of secular law in the west Christianity was as bloodthirsty and barbaric as Islam seems to be in far too many parts of the middle east today.

Get this through your tiny pea brain skull, our ability as a species to be cruel or compassionate is EVOLUTIONARY, not label based.

I hate dictators. I hate Kim Jong Un. I hate Stalin and Po Pot, and Hitler as well. You cannot remove a dictator from his position. You cannot impeach a dictator. You cannot change this dictator's laws. He'll be kind to you as long as you kiss his ass, but murder you if you step out of line.

Now, how does God operate? Can you remove God from his position? Can you change his laws? Can you impeach this god? Seems to be nice to those who follow him? But what happens to you if you don't want to follow him?

Saying that all atheists love fascism and genocide is like claiming all people with mustaches love Hitler.

Now DUMBASS, "Author Of America", is a book about Thomas Jefferson written by GASP, an atheist. Christopher Hitchens. Atheists despite what bullshit you have bought, are perfectly capable of valuing human rights and political dissent and protection of diversity.

And another thing, before you go lecturing atheists on death and genocide, I would suggest you read your own comic book where the unmovable, unchallenged final authority either sanctions, condones or causes himself, acts of infanticide and mass genocide.


Oh shit, just pulled my fangs out. I think you were agreeing with me. I am so used to theists using "you've killed more than we have".

Still though, my argument applies to those who do try to make it a numbers game.

[mickiel]

Interesting response. I think atheist have a better record and view of killing that the religious do. I think the world would be better off if it followed the atheist example toward killing than the religious record, no doubt. I have a thread on another site entitled, " Would the world be better off if it was entirely atheist, and what differences would it make?" The atheist there have given interesting response, the theist there are ignoring it.

One poster brought up the point about killing and how religion has played a part in a lot of killing. I agreed with him, because he was right, and history, even present history, backs him up.

I do not deny the good or evil in any group dynamic.

Dude is this your first time at an atheist website because you sure as fuck act like it. Do you really think you are the first to argue atheist vs theist body count bullshit?

Before the age of Enlightenment and the rise of secular law in the west Christianity was as bloodthirsty and barbaric as Islam seems to be in far too many parts of the middle east today.

Get this through your tiny pea brain skull, our ability as a species to be cruel or compassionate is EVOLUTIONARY, not label based.

I hate dictators. I hate Kim Jong Un. I hate Stalin and Po Pot, and Hitler as well. You cannot remove a dictator from his position. You cannot impeach a dictator. You cannot change this dictator's laws. He'll be kind to you as long as you kiss his ass, but murder you if you step out of line.

Now, how does God operate? Can you remove God from his position? Can you change his laws? Can you impeach this god? Seems to be nice to those who follow him? But what happens to you if you don't want to follow him?

Saying that all atheists love fascism and genocide is like claiming all people with mustaches love Hitler.

Now DUMBASS, "Author Of America", is a book about Thomas Jefferson written by GASP, an atheist. Christopher Hitchens. Atheists despite what bullshit you have bought, are perfectly capable of valuing human rights and political dissent and protection of diversity.

And another thing, before you go lecturing atheists on death and genocide, I would suggest you read your own comic book where the unmovable, unchallenged final authority either sanctions, condones or causes himself, acts of infanticide and mass genocide.

I hate the rape of the English language, I hate being called names, I hate being insulted and degraded; but I cannot change how others choose to have speaks with people, they have a right to let things roll off of their tongues in any manner that they wish.

Thus, if one holds the right to mangle their words in speech, then they hold the right to believe in anything that they wish to mangle in their beliefs.

[Brian37]

I hate the rape of the English language, I hate being called names, I hate being insulted and degraded; but I cannot change how others choose to have speaks with people, they have a right to let things roll off of their tongues in any manner that they wish.

Thus, if one holds the right to mangle their words in speech, then they hold the right to believe in anything that they wish to mangle in their beliefs.

I am not above making mistakes myself. I am so used to seeing theists argue about death being a numbers game his second sentence threw me off. I am glad even when theists agree that religion divides too much to the point of bloodshed. Having said that, the defense of religion by the believers part comes from somewhere. And just like a dictator, the Gods of Abraham you cannot remove from their position, thus those concepts are in line with that of a dictator. What allowed Stalin and Hitler merely was the same attitude of obedience to authority and worship of the state. God belief requires the same.

[Confused Ape]

even the number of atheist is declining;

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/global-study-...n-decline/

I don't make stuff up, you just misunderstand my stuff.

(CNS News) Atheism is in decline worldwide, with the number of atheists falling from 4.5% of the world’s population in 1970 to 2.0% in 2010 and projected to drop to 1.8% by 2020, according to a new report by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Mass.

Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary

Gordon–Conwell Theological Seminary (GCTS) is an evangelical seminary whose main campus is based in South Hamilton, Massachusetts, with three other campuses in Boston, Massachusetts; Charlotte, North Carolina; and Jacksonville, Florida. The current president of Gordon-Conwell is Dennis Hollinger, a Christian ethicist.[1] According to the Association of Theological Schools, Gordon-Conwell ranks as one of the largest evangelical seminaries in North America in terms of total number of full-time students enrolled.[2]

Is it possible that the people doing this study were somewhat biased and this influenced their findings?

[Dragonetti]

Hmm in the United States, the number of Atheist is growing.

In the Middle East, they kill them, so I guess they even out.

[Losty]

BULLSHIT, you don't get to cherry pick science. Science proves that all primates had common ancestors. Science doesn't give one fuck that you don't like it. Tough shit.